Freedom From Atheism

I come from a family of non religious folk going back several generations. What religion do I adhere or belong to?

 

so you believe that in order to have a religion it must have a generic title to be a religion?

 

you mean the gubmint right? The people wanted polygamy, no theistic religion made it a sin to practice it, (despite one poster claming without evidence the implication christians were against it).

not people gumbint in the noneutral splendor.

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your religion is not the sum of religions you do not believe in it is the principles you do believe in irregardless of the source.

 

well they aernt gay, it worked well for gays.

 

I can go one better than that, if we all hold the 'office' of citizen then we should all have the same benefits that other gvmnt officers enjoy

The first amendment is violated when the gubmint chooses one religion over another, hence while a law could be said to be equal that does not mean it has equal impact, ultimately favoring one religion over another.

 

People are generally pathetic no matter what they believe. I have almost no respect for either group, so I'm not personally invested. Your ideological opposition to government reflects, yet another, form of brainwashing.

 

Irrelevant but you'll find religious beliefs follow cultural lines. If you are born into a Buddhist family/culture there's every chance you'll be Buddhist.

I want you to tell me what religion I belong to.

 

Dont forget "non-belief is a belief" by standalone by itself is only an element of religion.

You wont get that from me however

I imagine you have noted boith the juvenile and red herring arguments posited by atheists in this thread? The substance of the arguments can never go above the capabilities of least capable debator.

Well I go into these debates with the presumption that the people who debate have some, or at least the minimal background knowledge to carry on a debate in the first place.

How do you propose working around semantics such that someone is trying to make a distinction without a difference other than to point out its semantic?

Once I give the answer and they fail to comprehend or continue to argue the same point they get the same response from me in either case. If you look back I am sure that is almost invariably the case. It takes 2 to work around semantics, not just me.

Ah... yes.... but the caveat is the word 'believe'/'belief', one of the 'elements' of a religious construct.

Posed?
To be in accord with the contract gubmint cannot lean toward one religion over another by any means, devise or contrivance in law. Doing so is 'discrimination'. If you feel there are examples that support your claim in a manner that puts any dents in mine I'd like to see them.

Well I do live in america, and its against the law here, one reason being that would create an omnipotent state.

Not at all but is is the definition you would find when getting into metaphysics and philosophy etc.

It is a failure in law if the law does not allow adequate remedy and instead destroys peoples lives.

Not really, its atheist when it runs in diametrical opposition to theistic religions in favor of the anti or atheistic religion.

Not at all. People simply tend to look at the spaghetti monster and the rest disappears:

re•li•gion
n.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usu. involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code for the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion.
3. [the person or] the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. emphasis mine
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something a person believes in and follows devotedly.
7. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion.
Idioms:
get religion,
a. to become religious; acquire religious convictions.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways.
[1150&#8211;1200; religioun < Latin religi&#333; conscientiousness, piety <relig&#257;re to tie, fasten (re- re- + lig&#257;re to bind, tie; compare ligament)]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.


As you can see there is no special stealth usage and are many functional definitions of the constructs of a religion, however we are talking about a reservation of rights and why atheists would disavow themselves of a right with such crazy claims like they have no religion is beyond me. Like I said only someone who is dead or brain dead does not have a religion.

Why would anyone expect a debate of this importance to be informal?

The way I use the word fits an infinitely diverse society while maintaining their rights at the same time.

 

its 100% relevant, sure post all your convictions and beliefs.

 

To keep my answer short, none of my convictions and beliefs are religion based.

 

I have no opposition what so ever to gvmnt, I oppose the crookocracy it has become.

 

Think of it like the 16th amendment, convictions and beliefs from any source. what are they or do you expect me to be a mind reader too?

Its your game so PLAY BALL! Either list them or withdraw the question.

 

If you were being fully rational, you would understand that human institutions have no value outside of the instrumental. There is no higher purpose that groups pursue. To follow the interests of a group is to, at the very best, eke out marginal benefits, and at worst to totally relinquish advantage.

Human institutions are truly nonsense. Pretend to follow them, but don't.

 

yeh, well being fully rational I realize institutions do in fact have their place. Especially to assist the infirm and provide confirmation bias. They also are good for joining together on common fronts where they may be found. However when the fronts are no longer shared and the religions of the people are trampled its time to reevaluate the institutions and set them back on course join another or abolish them.

 

Define convictions and beliefs and you may get an answer. I think you are having difficulty actually realising there are people on this planet who have absolutely zero religious convictions and beliefs. This probably has something to do with your religious conditioning. Sad really.

 

So capitalism is a religion? How about conspiracy theories? What about conservationism or liberalism, are those religions? Having a set of principles does not mean you believe in a religion, it just means you have a set of principles.

 

you dont know the meaning of principles? You find it necessary to resort to extremist generalities? Sure ELEMENTS WITHIN any one of your examples could on some level be a religion.

People do not believe in 'religion', what they believe is their religion.

 

The only thing that is sad is the way you continually dodge issues instead of actually debating them. Now name calling despite your assumptions are grossly incorrect.

Do you even have a moral compass, a right/wrong, or its just anything goes?

Im surprised you need those defined for you




con·vic·tion
k&#601;n&#712;vikSH(&#601n/noun: conviction; plural noun: conviction
a firmly held belief or opinion.


be·lief
noun: belief; plural noun: beliefs

• 1.
  an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
  "his belief in the value of hard work"
  • something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
    "contrary to popular belief, Aramaic is a living language"
  • "it's my belief that age is irrelevant"
  2.
  trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

The term "Religion" has always been associated with a deity or spiritual practice:
re·li·gion

/r&#601;&#712;lij&#601;n/


noun

noun: religion

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"


synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed; More
sect, church, cult, denomination


"the freedom to practice their own religion"

&#8226;a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions

"the world's great religions"
&#8226;a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"


It seems that recently Christians are using the term to describe everything from not having a God to believing in science. Basically they attempt to insult things by using what they believe in. Come on people...go ahead and be religious, just do not tell me I AM.

 

You seem to have no difficulty in assuming that non-religious people have no moral code - so why would you expect them to
treat you with any kind of respect when you show them none?

Is that the "moral code" your religion gives you - to assume you are morally superior to others?

 

That is laughable! Especially when its the exact opposite that is true. The truth is any person who is not brain dead has beliefs, convictions, hence a religion.

 

I'm forced to conclude that since all religious people have, practice and live by their moral code.
They, the atheists, and nontheists, and people that lack are the ones claiming they have no religion, not me. So why attack me?
It has nothing to do with superior to me though is sounds like it does for you?

 

Why would you assume that non-religious people do not have a moral code? Are they all in prison?

Do you honestly think that because a person declares themselves a follower of religion that they
adhere to that religions moral code? Cause the prisons have loads of inmates who declare themselves religious.

No. Your posts merely paint you as someone who is trying to convince yourself that your misconceptions of
moral superiority are fact based, rather than just simple cheer-leading for your team.

 

they claim they have no religion, how can you live by a moral code without religion?

Well that declaration coming from someone claiming a generally acknowledged religion carries the meaning of a certain set of moral principles that they as a group live by.

I have no idea, if they have no religion I expect they most likely are in prison.

Seems you are the one with misconceptions since I have stated or implied nothing with regard to superiority, that is your red herring.

All said this is not about someone who says one thing and does another, if that is your argument it fails since that is not what is being discussed here, any more than superiority.

 

By having Morals and not having a religion?

Seriously, you silly folks are some of the least "Moral" people I have ever seen. Or do you consider child abuse, lying, killing, and attempting control of others to be moral?