Gang-rape epidemic: India mourns victim, proposes chemical castration for offenders

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  1. thediplomat2.0

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    Initially, the Indian government was poised to impose the death penalty for perpetrators of rape. Protesters argued that it was not a credible threat, leading the government to this new proposal. We will see whether protesters find this suggestion to their liking.
     
  2. Abu Sina

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    so a rapist in the USA can manage to get only a fine in some cases!!!! :omg:
     
  3. Abu Sina

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    Not all countries in the ME are like this.

    This type of behaviour is more bedouin, tribal, or Gulf Arab culture. It existed before Islam. The covering the face and not being allowed out dates back to the harem where the tribes in the desert fought each other all the time and the only sacred thing was the women. The tribe could take anything except the women. The women must not be touched. Back then it would be very shameful to rape or touch the women of the camp when the men were away from it.
     
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    I believe rape is an especially nasty crime so would propose castration with a rusty penknife.
     
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    Partially true. But I'd be careful with the degree of your generalizations bearing i in mind that its only when a girl (sometimes a boy) is killed that it makes news Instances when family members respond/behave as perhaps those within your society, its NOT NEWS, you'll never know about it.

    The practice is especially prevalent in highly traditional societies, ranging from Rural Spain/Italy/the Balkans ,Middle East to Catholic Brazil and Eastern Orthodox Greece. Many of these countries have statutory laws against honour killing, but traditional or customary law permists the practice

    So-called honour crimes are also common in India, where many still prefer arranged marriages within their own caste and love matches are frowned upon.


    READ THIS :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20395301

    Its cultural not religious , also widespread amongst Hindus It is difficult to get the actual number of "honour killings", as they are often disguised as accidents or suicides


    A senior Indian police officer has been recorded suggested that the father of a missing girl should murder her in an honour killing
    According to campaigners there are more than 1000 honour killings in India every year, where runaway lovers are later captured and killed by their own relatives for bringing 'shame' on their families


    READ + learn : :

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ouraged-father-to-commit-honour-killing.html#

    ,,,
     
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    The key thing about Indian rape statistics is that they are based on REPORTED rapes. It is pretty clear from studies conducted in India that the percentage of rapes reported to the authorities are a lot fewer than those in the USA. Comparing official crime statistics between the two countries is thus an exercise in futility.

    It is somehow tragic to see the rhetorical severity of some Indian politicians in the aftermath of this tragic event. Surely it would be much more appropriate to see that the police were more responsive and supportive of rape complaints, that the courts were more sympathetic to the victims and that the government tried to encourage a change in cultural attitudes towards rape victims. If the poor woman had not been hospitalized and then died, all too many Indians would have considered the gang-rape at least partially her fault.
     
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    Yes. However, the real problem is not the criminal prosecution of rapists. In the United States, there is only a twenty-five percent arrest rate for rape. In other words, there is not enough credible front-end law enforcement.
     
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    India rape victim's friend recounts ordeal

    NEW DELHI (AP) — The suffering of a university student and her male friend who were brutally attacked aboard a bus in India's capital did not end after the woman was gang-raped and both were savagely beaten for 2 1/2 hours. Dumped naked on a roadside, the pair encountered shocking apathy as passersby offered only cursory looks and police debated jurisdiction for 30 minutes before taking them to a hospital, where the man received no treatment as he sat without clothes on the floor for hours, the friend recounted in a television interview.

    The interview Friday marked the first time the man, who has not been named, has spoken publicly about the Dec. 16 attack in New Delhi.

    The attack has outraged Indians and led to calls for tougher rape laws and reforms of a police culture that often blames rape victims and refuses to file charges against accused attackers. The nation's top law enforcement official said the country needs to crack down on crimes against women with "an iron hand."

    The 23-year-old woman died last weekend from massive internal injuries suffered during the attack. Authorities charged five men with her murder and rape and were holding a sixth suspect believed to be a juvenile. A hearing in the case was scheduled for Saturday.

    On the night of the attack, the woman and her companion had just finished watching the movie "Life of Pi" at an upscale mall and were looking for a ride home. An autorickshaw driver declined to take them, so they boarded the private bus with the six assailants inside, the companion told the Indian network Zee TV.

    Authorities have not named the man because of the sensitivity of the case. Zee TV also declined to give his name, although it did show his face during the interview. The man has a broken leg and was sitting in a wheelchair during the interview.

    After a while, the men on the bus starting harassing and attacking the pair, he said.

    "I gave a tough fight to three of them. I punched them hard. But then two others hit me with an iron rod," he said. The woman tried to call the police using her mobile phone, but the men took it away from her, he said. They then took her to the rear seats of the bus and raped her.

    "The attack was so brutal I can't even tell you … even animals don't behave like that," the man said.

    Afterward, he overheard some of the attackers saying the woman was dead, he said.

    The men then dumped their bleeding and naked bodies under an overpass. The woman's companion waved to passersby on bikes, in autorickshaws and in cars for help, but no one stopped. "They slowed down, looked at our naked bodies and left," he said.

    "My friend was grievously injured and bleeding profusely," he said. "Cars, autos and bikes slowed down and sped away. I kept waving for help. The ones who stopped stared at us, discussing what could have happened. Nobody did anything."

    After about 20 minutes, three police vans arrived, but the officers argued over who had jurisdiction over the crime as the man pleaded for clothes and an ambulance, he said.

    Finally, he said, they were taken to a hospital.

    "When we reached the hospital, I sat without clothes on the floor for a long time even as my friend was taken inside for treatment," he said.

    The man said he was given no medical care. He then spent four days at the police station helping police investigate the crime. He said he visited his friend in the hospital, told her the attackers were arrested and promised to fight for her.

    He said his friend was determined to see that the attackers were punished. "She gave all details of the crime to the magistrate — things we can't even talk about," he said. "She told me that the culprits should be burnt alive."

    The man said he gave the TV interview because he hopes it will encourage rape victims to come forward and speak about their ordeals without shame.

    "She has awakened us all by her courage," he said of his friend, who died at a Singapore hospital after being flown there for treatment. "People should move ahead in the struggle to prevent a similar crime happening again as a tribute to her."

    Most people in India are reluctant to get involved in police business because once they become witnesses, they can be dragged into legal cases that can go on for years. Also, Indian police are often seen less as protectors and more as harassers.

    On Friday, Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde said crimes against women and marginalized sections of society are increasing, and it is the government's responsibility to stop them.

    "This needs to be curbed by an iron hand," he told a conference of state officials from across India that was called to discuss how to protect women.

    He called for changes in the law and the way police investigate cases so justice can be swiftly delivered. Many rape cases are bogged down in India's overburdened and sluggish court system for years.

    "We need a reappraisal of the entire system," he said.

    In the wake of the rape, several petitioners appealed to the Supreme Court to take an active role in the issue of women's safety.

    On Friday, the court dismissed a petition asking it to suspend Indian lawmakers accused of crimes against women, saying it doesn't have jurisdiction, according to the Press Trust of India. The Association for Democratic Reforms, an organization that tracks officials' criminal records, said six state lawmakers are facing rape prosecutions and two national parliamentarians are facing charges of crimes against women that fall short of rape.

    However, the court did agree to look into the widespread creation of more fast-track courts for accused rapists across the country.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/04/india-rape/1810291/
     
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    The witness and friends account of that night on the bus

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    “The occupants of the bus, which had tinted windows and curtains, had laid a trap for us. They were probably involved in crimes before also. They beat us up, hit us with an iron rod, snatched our clothes and belongings and threw us off the bus on a deserted stretch.

    “The bus occupants had everything planned. Apart from the driver and helper, others behaved like they were passengers. We even paid Rs 20 as fare. Then they started teasing my friend and the same led to a brawl. I beat three of them up but then the rest of them brought an iron rod and hit me. Before I fell unconscious, they took my friend away.

    “From where we boarded the bus, they moved around for nearly two and a half hours. We were shouting, trying to make people hear us. But they switched the lights of the bus off. We tried to resist them. Even my friend fought with them, she tried to save me. She tried to dial the police control room number 100, but the accused snatched her mobile away,” he said.

    “Before throwing us off the bus, they snatched our mobiles and tore off our clothes in order to destroy any evidence of the crime,” he added.

    “After throwing us off the bus, they tried to mow us down but I saved my friend by pulling her away in the nick of time. We were without clothes. We tried to stop passers by. Several auto rickshaws, cars and bikes slowed down but no one stopped for about 25 minutes. Then, someone on patrolling, stopped and called the police,” he told Zee News.

    The victim’s friend rued the fact that three PCR vans arrived at the scene after about 45 minutes, but wasted time in deciding under which police station’s jurisdiction the case fell.

    He said nobody, including the police, gave them clothes or called an ambulance. “They were just watching us,” he said, adding that after repeated requests, someone gave him a part of a bed sheet to cover his friend.

    “My friend was bleeding profusely. But instead of taking us to a nearby hospital, they (police) took us to a hospital that was far away.”

    The victim’s friend said that he carried his badly injured friend to the PCR van on his own as the policemen didn’t help them because the girl was bleeding profusely.

    “Nobody from the public helped us. People were probably afraid that if they helped us, they would become witnesses to the crime and would be asked to come to police stations and courts,” he told the channel.

    “Even at the hospital, we were made to wait and I had to literally beg for clothes. I borrowed a stranger’s mobile and called my relatives, but just told them that I had met with an accident. My treatment started only after my relatives came,” he said.

    “I was hit on the head. I was not able to walk. I was not able to move my hands for two weeks,” he said, detailing the injuries he suffered on that horrific night.

    “My family wanted to take me to our native place but I decided to stay in Delhi in order to help the police. It was only after the doctors’ advice that I went back to my home and started private treatment there.”

    “When I had met my friend in the hospital, she was smiling. She was able to write and was positive. I never felt that she did not want to live,” he said.

    “She had told me that if I wasn’t there, she would not have filed the complaint. I had decided that I would ensure that the culprits are punished,” the victim’s friend said.

    He said that his friend was also worried about the cost of the treatment. “I was asked to be with her to give her strength.”

    “When she gave the first statement to the lady SDM, only then I came to know what had happened with her. I couldn’t believe what they did to her. Even when animals hunt, they don’t mete out such brutality to their prey.

    “She faced all of this and told the magistrate that the accused should not be hanged but burnt to death.”

    “The first statement she gave to the SDM was correct. She had given that statement with a lot of effort. She was coughing and bleeding while giving the statement. There was no pressure or interference at all. But when the SDM said that she had spoken under pressure, all her efforts went in vain. The lady SDM was wrong when she said that the statement was made under pressure,” the victim’s friend told Zee News.

    When asked what suggestions he would like to give in order to ensure that such incidents don’t recur, the victim’s friend said “the police should always try to ensure that the victims are taken to the hospital as soon as possible and not look for government hospitals. Also, witnesses should not be harassed so that they come to the court to testify.”

    He said that one cannot change mindsets by lighting candles. "You have to help people on the road when they need help,” he added.

    “Protests and change should not only be for her but for the coming generations as well.”

    The victim’s friend said that he wanted the Justice Verma committee, set up by the government, to suggest measures to improve women’s security, to make the law easier for complainants.

    “We have a lot of laws, but the public is afraid of going to police as they wonder whether the police will register an FIR or not. You are trying to start fast-track courts for one issue, but why shouldn’t every case be fast tracked,” he asked.

    He disclosed that “no one from the government has contacted me so far to ask about my treatment. I have been paying for my own treatment so far.”

    He said if his friend was “treated in a better hospital, she would have probably been alive today.” It may be noted that the gang-rape victim was first treated at the Safdarjung Hospital before being shifted to a hospital in Singapore.

    He went on to say that there were a few police officials who wanted him to say that the police were doing a good job in the case.

    “Why did they want to take credit for doing their duty? If everyone does their work well, nothing more needs to be said in the matter,” he said.

    "We have a long battle to fight," he said further, adding, “If I didn't have lawyers in my family, I would not have been able to fight this.”

    The victim’s friend also told Zee News, "I was in the police station for four days rather than being in a hospital where I would be treated. I told my friends that I had met with an accident."

    "The internal judgement of the Delhi Police should prompt them to assess for themselves if they have done a good job or not," he added.

    "If you can help someone, help them. If a single person had helped me that night, things would have been different. There is no need to close Metro stations and stop the public from expressing themselves. People should be able to have faith in the system," he went on to say.

    "I never had thoughts of leaving her and running away. Even an animal would not do that. I have no regrets. But I wish I could have done something to help her. I do think sometimes about why I didn't get an auto, why did I take that bus."
     
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    Not this again! You failed last time to come up with any recent examples of rapists being executed in Egypt which completely discredited your claim. Nothing's changed Abu its still pertently nonsense and the truth is far more like rapists go free in Egypt and witnesses are more likely to join in than report it!
     
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    Well the victim would be sent there for justice in some cases as well.
     
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    I am going to say something that is very politically incorrect. They say that gang rapes are an epidemic in India, well what can one expect from a pagan nation that still worships 'demon gods'?

    I recently read a book translated from Greek called: The Gurus, the Young Man and Elder Paisius, by Dionysius Farasiotis. This book tells the story of a Greek youth who wanted to know the truth, so he began to experiment in yoga, hypnotism, and other occult techniques. He decided to go to India, and believes that had it not been for the prayers of the Elder Paisius, he would never have been able to free himself. What he encountered in India was unbelievable.

    As for the U.S., I was on the grand jury once, and there are prostitutes who will accuse a man of raping her, so things are not always black and white. I do believe in castration though... if it's a third offense or a child.
     
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    No.

    It's not.

    It's just silly, quite frankly.

    :eyepopping:
     
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    Chemical castration? I have a really dull steak knife that with time and effort would work fine.
     
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    Proven not to really work too well...

    And the Indian Gov have already ruled it out.

    As far as the US goes, there would be issues with both the Eighth Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment.
     
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    To you it's silly because you haven't heard the testimonies I have heard, nor have you had my experiences. It's a very interesting book. The Elder Paisios died in the 1990's, and the miracles through his intercession is ongoing. He is considered Greece's greatest modern saints, and his prophecies are also coming true, I'm simply in awe of them.

    But look, to each his own. :truce:
     
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    How about this? :chainsaw:
     
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    Miracles, at least in a supernatural sense, are a myth.

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    Yes, Abu???

    What is it...a caption contest?

    'Oh no, I should have got the 55'...
     
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    Caste system & poverty contribute to India's rape epidemic...
    :eekeyes:
    Gang Rape Highlights India's Caste Problem
    June 03, 2014 — The rape and murder of two young girls in northern India has highlighted the sexual oppression of low caste women in the country, particularly in its vast rural areas. The case also demonstrates the serious risks faced by women living in homes without indoor plumbing, which was a campaign issue for the country’s new government.
     
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    I do agree using a knife will be better! They deserve it!
     
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    Not enough protection for rape victims in India...
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    Rape survivor: Not enough protection for victims in India
    Wed July 20, 2016 - Brutal details have emerged of the drugging and gang-rape of a 21-year-old Dalit girl on her way home from college in the northern state of Haryana, India. Dalits are often relegated to the lowest rungs of Indian society.
     
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    Thought soccer was India's favorite pasttime...
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    India Detains Suspects in Gang Rape of Woman, Daughter
    JULY 31, 2016 — Police in northern India said Sunday that they have detained 15 suspects after a woman and her 14-year-old daughter were gang-raped off a busy highway, the latest incident of sexual violence to shock the country.
     
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    the quote shows what misinformation you have about india . india's favourite pastime is the english game of cricket , not soccer .

    the stories of rape are emanating out of india because india is a rare third world country with a free press and media which reports all these happenings , and is most importantly allowed to report it . actually all third world countries have the same problem of rape . but because they don't have a free press and media , there is no free reporting of it . india is a real functioning democracy and allows it's media real freedoms .
     

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