Gang Raping Rubio!

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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    Marco Rubio better keep an eye on John McCain, too:

    It’s sounds to me like Rubio has been suckered into an edited version of the crap McCain and Bush the Younger were pushing in 2007. For a guy who is supposed to be so smart one has to ask why? One might answer that Rubio has been dazzled by star-power. One might also answer it’s an initiation ritual. The Gang of Seven rapes the new guy before he gets membership in the club.

    Bottom line: A huge majority of LAW-ABIDING Americans do not support amnesty of any kind. It’s no different today than it was in 2007.

    Incidentally former Senator Santorum was only partially correct. He should have advised Rubio to NEVER TAKE A DEMOCRAT’S WORD FOR ANYTHING.

    At the same time Democrats lie about wanting immigration reform they are pushing hard to make sure illegal aliens vote:


    Frankly, I don’t believe long lines hurt Democrats, while long lines apparently dissuaded Republicans in those 59 precincts in Philadelphia and 9 in Ohio where Romney did not get a single vote. Nor did long lines in Florida lose any Democrats for Hussein. Those lines must have been very long indeed since more ballots were cast than there were voters.

    Let me close with my advice to Rubio and every Republican. READ THE INS REPORT CITED IN THIS ARTICLE:


    Secret INS report: Shocking details on amnesty
    Unreleased document assembled during Clinton era
    Published: 13 hours ago
    by ALBERT THOMPSON

    Secret INS report: Shocking details on amnesty
    Unreleased document assembled during Clinton era
    Published: 12 hours ago
    by ALBERT THOMPSON

    WASHINGTON – A report suppressed by the INS provides highly embarrassing and potentially politically explosive reading for current immigration reform advocates because it concludes the 1986 amnesty actually caused an increase in illegal immigration.

    That’s because, the report explains, it acted as an incentive to persons who hoped to take advantage of a future amnesty.

    Critics fear the current proposals suggested by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and others would do the same.

    A review of the unreleased Clinton-era Immigration and Naturalization Service report reveals that the 1986 amnesty caused a rise in the number of unauthorized entries into the United States in the years immediately following.

    However, the report also concludes that the “public expressions of opposition to immigration,” in particular the California Proposition 187 measure, likely were contributing factors in the decline in the rate of illegal entry after 1990.

    In addition to the hope for a second amnesty, the INS drew another conclusion from the data that it collected as to why the rate of illegal entry increased.

    It said the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) was responsible for the increase in unauthorized entry to the United States in 1988-89 partly because during those years the rate of females entering the United States illegally increased to twice the 1987 rate.

    These women entered the United States to join their male partners and family members who had been granted amnesty, in many cases bringing children with them, the report said. The addition of these families increased the strain on limited American resources, the report said.

    With the U.S. unemployment still high and the shrinking of the GDP, immigration control advocates are concerned that the Rubio plan will lead to further budgetary hardship. The Rubio plan is consider by some to be Amnesty, Part 2.

    The INS report also presents data that shed light on the apparent decrease in illegal entrants to the United States in the early 1990s. According the data, the illegal alien entry rate decreased because the IRCA made it easier for the spouses of Mexican-born residents to obtain immigrant visas.

    As a result they did not have to enter the United States illegally, though hundreds of thousands of others continued to illegally enter the United States. The Immigration Act of 1990 – passed under George H.W. Bush – increased the annual number of immigrant visas to the United States by more than 150,000 beginning in 1992.

    The increase in visas also reduced the number of unauthorized entries; however it did not decrease the total number of persons entering the United States for those years due to continued illegal immigration. Based on this information it appears that many of the persons who would have attempted to illegally enter the United States were the immigrants who utilized the entry visas.

    The INS also credited the American public’s expressions of opposition to mass migration with deterring unauthorized entries, specifically the passage of Proposition 187 in California in November 1994. Proposition 187 removed many of the incentives to illegally enter the United States.

    Dr. Steven Camarota, the director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, concurred with that conclusion.

    “Look at the impact of [the] Arizona employer verification legislation; look at the government’s own assessment. In 2008 DHS estimated that the unauthorized population in Arizona was 560,000, in January 2011 there were 360,000 unauthorized residents in Arizona. At the same time, estimates for the country as a whole stayed the same. This is strong indication that Arizona legislation played a role in decreasing the unauthorized population.”

    Both the California and Arizona measures were challenged in federal court.

    California Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat, refused to defend Prop 187 in court. The Obama administration sued Arizona; the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to partially block the enforcement of the SB 1070 law.

    A national security concern is the Red Dawn scenario. It is unclear how the United States government could verify the identities of millions of unauthorized persons in the country.

    Critics say the large unauthorized population provides a hiding place for Mexican and Latin American intelligence agents and terrorists.

    An additional danger comes from non-Latin American agents, some of whom included members of Islamic terrorist organizations whose Middle Eastern operatives may attempt to pass for Latin Americans to evade U.S. security measures, the said.

    “You are dealing with bureaucratic incapacity; the immigration system is currently overwhelmed,” Camarota said. “There is no one to the verify millions of identities. Do they know what the documents … from Mexico look like? Maybe. But do they know what documents from Guatemala look like? Twenty percent of the unauthorized population is not from Latin America. Would the average immigration agent be able to verify document from Poland? It’s a heads I win, tails you lose scenario because even when they identify fraud they will not go after the people who don’t qualify, those persons will continue to live in the U.S. illegally as they are doing now.”

    He said, “Like the legislation in 2007 the new legislation will probably contain exemptions for prior fraud.”

    Since 2001 foreign jihadists groups have increased their efforts to infiltrate the United States and avoid detection.

    Camarota was also skeptical of measures to include the payment of back taxes and requirements to learn English.

    “There is no record to make people pay taxes, or if there is a record the employer would have to provide that. Even in those cases where you have the records the amount most unauthorized workers earn place them below the tax threshold so there no tax to pay back. The requirements to learn English are not meaningful. It’s something that will not happen. All that maybe required is that illegal immigrants sign up for an English class. There is no enforcement.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/secret-ins-report-has-details-on-amnesty/
     
  2. waltky

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    Rubio bill allows forging of passports...
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    Rubio Didn't Know His Own Immigration Bill Allows Someone to Forge 2 Passports Before It's a Crime
    July 19, 2013 -- Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)--a Republican member of the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” who co-sponsored the Senate immigration bill and was one of 14 Republicans who ultimately voted for it--was unaware that his own bill allows a person to forge up to two passports without penalty. “Under the Senate immigration bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?” CNSNews.com asked Rubio Thursday on Capitol Hill.
     
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    McCain: I Don't Know How Many Passports We Let You Forge
    July 18, 2013 -– Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), a member of the “Gang of Eight” that helped write and pass the immigration reform bill in that chamber, said he did not know how many passports a person could forge under the proposed law before being charged with a crime.
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    Leahy: Senate Immigration Bill Says Forging Two Passports Is Not a Crime
    July 18, 2013 -- Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt) admitted Wednesday that under the Senate immigration bill, forging up to two passports is not a crime, adding that the bill leaves the decision whether to charge someone with passport fraud up to the discretion of prosecutors.
     
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    I opposed the senate bill. The Hoeven/Corker amendment was,in my view,an insult to our intelligence. Now,I do think we need to get something done. This issue has been going on for a long time. Never gets resolved. We have people in the country with fake documents,maybe they are illegal,their kids are likely citizens. They are not leaving(sorry Mitt,no self deportation happening). Do I like it? Hell no. I'm a conservative,and my inclination is towards law and order.
    In my view,the house needs to get on with their business. Pass a good ag worker program. Pass Stem,so that we can keep more of the advanced degree people who graduate from our schools. Give people some legal status,whether citizenshiop or not. If the house does not like what is going on in conference,walk away. But they have to be in the game.
     

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