Gay Marriage, HIV & Why Everyone's Spouse May Lose Health Insurance Coverage

Oh, you poor thing. Your lifestyle is discussed in an open and frank manner and that hurts your feelings. I can't open a newspaper or turn on the radio without hearing some ad for a "gay event" where "sex is the topic" for "youngsters" "to be OK with gay"...parties, dances, events, meetings..lectures. Just look at the recent sex-week events in Tennessee. But we're all supposed to pretend like those and the thousands of gay pride parades with scantily dressed lewd performers on mainstreet, in front of kids...are all the "exception, rather than the rule" with gay culture?

No. They are the advertisements of the values of a group of people allied around exclusively avoiding sex for the purposes it evolved for. I don't see gay websites and organizations protesting these activities as "the fringe of our group". What we hear instead is the occasional weak protest in a tidal wave of what only amounts to exhibitionism, recruitment and advertising for the burlesque.

The truth hurts. Don't kill the messenger.. I had a friend who died of AIDS as a direct result of this tidal-wave subculture. I'm going to tell the truth of what is plainly in front of my face about it.

 

No mystery there. Like I said, she is not interested in a discussion, or the truth, or helping anyone. She needs someone to blame because her friend was an idiot. Rather than blame her friend for his actions, she chooses to blame an entire group of people who had nothing to do with him instead.

That's sick, immature and wrong. The only person she's really hurting is herself.

 

she has a point, the subculture dismissal and denial that there is an AIDS/HIV problem in the gay community is dangerous for the gay community and a lot of other innocent people.


The truth that gays are the most at risk group (and it's growing according to my link) is ignored by you because you think that information will hurt your chances to get spouse health care.

But the problem with that denial is new gays, or young gays, come up thinking there isn't really an epidemic going on and that ignorance is why the gay demographic continues to get worse in terms of numbers.

I have YET to hear you suggest that gays pay what their risk demands for health insurance instead of being subsidized by the current group who isn't as risky

 

Its not popular to say they'll drop all spouses, but its not politically correct to suggest they make gays pay their share. And since none of it has happened yet, no sense pissing anyone off.

Plus, it wont hurt the insurance as they will simply pass on the costs to whoever is most convenient

 

It is unbelievably reckless and insidious to risk human life to lie in order to promote a political agenda. These would be the first people all over Cheney and co [and rightly so] for lying to Congress in order to make invading Iraq "a popular idea supported by the majority of Americans"...

With an HIV/AIDS infection rate of 20% ! and each patient costing roughly half a $million to treat from diagnosis to death, 1 in 5 gay marriages is going to ruin them. And nobody here, even gay promoters, will argue that insurers will single out gay men. Oh hell no. They'll drop everyone rather than risk that nuclear assault.

 

SFJeff, gays like that need to be bashed.

 

No, Fun- no gays- no jews- no Catholics- no blacks- nobody 'needs to be bashed'

Homicidal maniacs should be dealt with according to the law- if we know that they are acting this way they should be arrested.

And no, I don't think shooting someone to prevent them from having sex is a viable defense no matter how much you think it is.

 

There is no other group of people in the US that tries to educate people more about HIV/AIDS than gay people. To say that we are ignoring it is completely dishonest of you. We're affected by it- trust me, we're trying to get the word out on prevention. But then we have fools on the right who only want abstinence "education" taught and nothing else. Education is key to prevention.

And as has been pointed out to you earlier- other groups of people also have high rates of risk for certain diseases. Shall we screen everyone's family history and assess their risk factors for whatever diseases? Do you know how much that would cost? Answer- far more than it would save. This has been explained to you by many other posters already. Why do you ignore them? Because you want to.

 

You seem to be ignoring a lot in the case you're pretending you're making.

1. Up until perhaps 15 years ago, coming out was a dangerous thing to do. There were no anti-discrimination laws, there were no rights. Chances are that you'd be kicked out of your home if you were a teen. That means that people who were gay at that time got their sex information from other teens. You had to get it on the street as going to mom and dad or a teacher or something was likely to have serious reprocussions in that person's life. When you learn about sex on the streets, you get bad information. You underestimate the risks. That goes for anyone.

2. Marriage has this interesting effect -- since you marry one person until "death do you part", you tend to stay fairly faithful to that one spouse. Sure affairs happen, they happen in a lot of marriages, but they aren't as frequent or as common as one-night-stands with random strangers that can happen when dating. Marriage also, at least for most people, limits their going to the club scene for drugs or sex. For the vast majority of marriages, we're talking about monogamy, one partner, not 6 or 10 or 12. Having fewer partners also limits exposure to any STD. That's just simple health statistics. If you want an STD have lots of sex with lots of different people. Which is of course the OPPOSITE of what happens in a marriage of any kind.

See, by leaving out half of the story, you can make your case, but I think most insurance companies would cover a gay spouse simply because a married man (gay or straight) is less likely to get an STD than one who is not. Married people are for the most part faithful. There's no reason to assume that the same institution is going to work differently for gay people. So I would think that if reducing the incidence of AIDS in gays is the goal, the answer is actually to get them married, because it promotes them settleing down and having a lot fewer sex partners. Of course, if the goal is just to throw mud, this is probably a giant waste of time.

But if not, have some Gladstone on me
http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-things-gay-people-are-going-to-hate-about-gay-marriage/

 

Thanks for pointing that out again.

Frankly those who argue both against Gay marriage and against AID's seem to be arguing with themselves. But if you look at those who post here about AID's, its obvious that AIDs is just another tool to beat homosexuals with, and that these people have no actual concern with AIDs since its a 'gay disease' in their minds.

 

But if not, have some Gladstone on me
http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-things...-gay-marriage/

Oh that is really too funny.....

 

Precisely. There is no concern for gay people or why they get AIDS at a higher rate. The only concern is how much they can slam us with it.

 

There is plenty of concern. My friend died of AIDS. And he died of AIDS precisely because of people like you skewing facts to fit your agenda. Saying "gays are born that way" and "there's going to be a cure for AIDS soon". Neither was the case for my friend and thousands upon thousands like him...

 

Your imaginary homicidal friend must have gotten together with his imaginary thousands and thousands of cases like him.

Your imaginary friend imaginarily died of AIDS if he unprotected sex with another man or did IV drugs or had a bad blood transfussion.

Meanwhile in the real world, anyone who actually cares about AID's within the Gay population should be promoting gay marriage rather than trying to prevent it with stories of imaginary homicidal gay 'friends'.

 

Hey pal, my friend was real and I'll thank you not to defile his memory in your endless quest to sanitize and downplay the real disease that killed my real friend. I'm warning you to stop.

 

You aren't trying to educate to stop, you are trying to blame homophobia on why gays have more aids. Ill find that story and link from pf. Com, too.

I'm on my phone but ill link it if you choose to ignore it

 

Horse s***. Why in the hell would we want our own people to get sick? Stop and think about that for a minute.

 

Well the date is looming upon us and there's a lot at stake. The boards were sure to catch fire over this.

 

According to your own description, your 'friend' was a homicidal maniac who knowingly spread an incurable and fatal disease to 'hundreds' or 'thousands' of other men.

I don't know how anything I could say could defile his memory either any more than he deserves(if any of this actually happened) or in any way that you haven't defiled his memory worse.

If my childhood buddy turned out to be Ted Bundy, I wouldn't be telling people not to defile his memory.

Meanwhile, anyone who really wants to lower the infection rate of AIDs amongst gay men should both be in favor of gay marriage, and should be promoting lowering the stigma against homosexuality, as the CDC recommends.

 

My friend didn't start on his AIDS-revenge rampage out of nowhere. We considered him a friend until we learned the news. At first I was disgusted with him. But as my family and I talked about it, we searched for the genesis of his behaviors. His brother told us of how he was molested, artificially imprinted sexually, ripped apart with nowhere to turn [the area and the political times were "gay friendly" even then]. With nowhere to go to repair his angst, he turned to revenge apparently. And the whole situation is desperately sad, sick and needs a thorough examination. That's what I meant when I said this was my ongoing eulogy in his name. He would've wanted the truth to be exposed and in such an exposure, save lives in the future..

Serial killers are disturbed without a doubt. We owe it to ourselves to get to the bottom of why.

 

If your friend was molested as a child, then why wasn't he able to get counseling for his molestation? Did he report it or not?

Nowhere to turn? There are multiple churches which welcome in those who can't stand their own homosexuality and want a cure?

Frankly this all seems like a very big rationalization for why this 'friend' did bad things.

Thousands and thousands of girls and boys are molested every year- and they don't decide to go out and kill people in revenge.

This again seems like a huge rationalization for what was his homicidal behaviour.

So was the truth exposed? Was his molester accused and arrested? And if he 'wouldve wanted the truth to be exposed'- why didn't he do it himself?

And how are you trying to save lives?

I think it is always good to see if we can find out why serial killers become serial killers but it is important not to confuse research with looking for a poster child for a cause.

 

Well see that's the thing with childhood molestation victims. They're imprinted hypersexuals as a rule, confused, hurt, betrayed by the adult world they were supposed to trust to protect them. Kind of hard to foster the empowerment for them to tell such a seedy tale to a tribunal they're not sure will even believe them, let alone help them. After all, most children are molested by their mentors and those they trust. Hence the reason why molestation is such a devastating crime...and likely why it created such a monsterous end with my friend's behavior..

Likely he was just another one of this epidemic, pervasive among gay men... And let me tell you, assuring a child or a grown man abused as a child to "embrace what you've become" is not the answer...obviously...