Gay Rights????

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by pwillie, May 5, 2016.

  1. rahl

    rahl Banned

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    well, the supreme court said it isn't, so................

    obergefell
    no court made any such ruling.
     
  2. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I see.

    So, you believe that much of the civil rights movement should be rolled back?

    You would abolish the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
     
  3. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

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    I tell ya wut..the "right" to be homosexual is on no equal terms with the right to be born what you were and treated equally in the US.
    No way,no how.
    For real.
    You can be that way..I ain't gonna judge ya..but it's not the same as being born Black or Asian or..Cuban..no..no it's not..Let me know if you can provide the equivalency to that.I don't see it happening.
     
  4. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The obligations to spouse and children continue after divorce, which is a benefit.
     
  5. Ritter

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    Pretty much, yes. Given that I am Swedish I am not much sure about what exactly the "ivil Rights Act of '64" is, but if I am not wrong it has something to do with protecting women and chilren...Right?

    I obviously do not oppose women's rights or any other groups right per se, it is just the government enforced programmed and laws I oppose. It will always end up in more laws and less freedoms in the end, so. Yeah.

    Anti-discrimination laws are not needed.
     
  6. DoctorWho

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    Perhaps Anti-Discrimination Laws are not needed in Sweden, they are however, needed here in the U.S.
     
  7. Ritter

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    They are not needed anywhere! See when one group gets their special protection the other one is going ask for them too and then third one, foruth, fifth etc. Then one group will claim there should be an exception because otherwise it would be discrimination against their religion and blah, blah, blah. The song goes on and never ends. Government gorws and grows, we get more laws and higher taxes to keep it all together and ta daa. Suddenly, we stand there with no freedom.

    Sweden is actually quite unique in this matter and have the most ridiculous laws to restrict behavior and speech.
     
  8. WillReadmore

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    No, the Civil Rights Act states that humans must be treated as equal, regardless of factors such as skin color, religion, sex, for example.

    This includes the right of humans to be served by public accommodations - state sanctioned businesses open to the public, including stores, hotels, restaurants, etc.


    Today, we see people arguing that humans are NOT equal - that store owners may examine those who come in the door and then, based on factors such as those covered by the Civil Rights Act, decide they will not serve that person.
     
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    "simply because the majority of the voters don’t like homosexuality" is a quote from obergefell.
     
  10. DoctorWho

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    Perhaps that is true of Sweden, however, here in the U.S. when Racial segregation was found Unconstitutional and abolished, it took the National Guard, to force compliance.
     
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    Sexual orientation isn't one of those factors in the civil rights act.
     
  12. DoctorWho

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    No, you are wrong.
    It is part of the Civil Rights act.
     
  13. dixon76710

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    I wouldn't have a problem with anti discrimination laws. Its antidiscrimination laws that only applies for select classifications that I have a problem with.
     
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    Where did you see god in your quote?
    My creator is mother earth, and parents.
     
  15. dixon76710

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    You don't have a clue.

    SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
     
  16. WillReadmore

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    True. The federal congress is working on fixing that right now, and it is already a feature of public accommodation law in about half the states.

    But, what's the difference? That is, if you can deny someone service based on sexual orientation why should you NOT be able to discriminate based on gender, religion, or race?

    All these get argued on the basis of religion.

    And, how can the 14th amendment (with its well recognized connection to public accommodation and employment law) require equality based on certain innate attributes of law abidinghuman beings, but not on others?
     
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    Note that Sex is not mentioned specifically either, yet the phrase "All Persons" does not exclude even the Obtuse people among us.
     
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    ALL PERSONS. Not "All persons except gay people ...". It ain't rocket science, dude.
     
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    Not sure of your point. It is "all persons" that are protected from discrimination on the basis of "race, color, religion, or national origin". Discrimination on any other basis DOES NOT violate the act.
     
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    ???? Correct, you cant discriminate against gays on the basis of "race, color, religion, or national origin". You can discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, height, weight, the funny way they dress or because you don't like their attitude, under the civil rights act.
    And yeah, it isn't rocket science, it is the English language you have problems with.
    Revealing that the gays and their advocates think sexual orientation is included, even though they specifically chose to leave out sex from the act.
     
  21. Daniel Light

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    Considering how the courts have ruled on such cases - you can try and pay the fines later ...
    Reality - try it sometime.
     
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    I live in Texas. We don't have such silly laws. Business owners can discriminate on any basis they like OTHER THAN race, color, religion, or national origin under the civil rights act. .
     
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    Most sane people agree on this and would do so even if we did not have laws for it.

    I do not believe in the concept of State, but as it is around and that all citizens are forced to tax for its survival, of course everyone should have the right to use its accommodations. However, when it comes to private businesses they should be allowed to discriminate as much they want.


    Well, then we have different definitions of equality.

    Furthermore, if you do not think it is right for a prvate shop owner to, say, deny an Asian man entrence you would have to think it is not OK to chose store A instead of store B, that is discrimination too! And that's not equal. Obviously, we have a problem of standards here. Think it's called hypocrisy. :)

    Yes. Racism, sexism, misogyny and homophobia are bad things, but the solution is not more government protection. When all comes around it is the guy not letting the Asian into his shop who loses. Not only does he lose a lot of costumers by excluding an entire group of people. but also does he lose reputation which means he loses customers from other groups too! (I certainly wouldn't shop at his place) Eventually he'd either have to change his policy or continue til bakruptcy.

    Just as much as the Christian bakery can deny the homoseual couple a wedding-cake, the black homosexual tattoo-artist can deny the skinnhead a tattoo saying "Homosexuality is a sin and blacks are monkies!" :)

    We don't need the government for telling us how to behave and treat each other.
     
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    Obviously in the U.S. where many businesses and bathrooms and even drinking fountains were White only, We needed Government to intervene.
     
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    Why don't you post a video of you denying service to people in your business ???
    Lets see you deny someone service because they are too fat, or gay etc.......
     

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