Gaze Upon Me Gun Control Proponents, and DESPAIR!

Jesus, did you even read the article?
The 3d printing technique is used to make a shim that you then pair with electro cutting to rifle a barrel with. You can still beat an ak receiver out of a spade or mill a receiver for any number of existing designs, be they public domain or not, because it's not exactly rocket science.
As to home manufacturing and ubiquity of arms: you realize that Australia, for instance, has a booming home industry? Their crooks put out some really lovely examples

For gods sake, the giant post above and this one and the one from the other day, running your mouth and you didnt even read the freaking link and understand what was being discussed?

1) Hate to tell you this chief but you can disable that stuff, in the models it exists in, very easily.

2) non standard materials? What are you on about? Did my question about banning metals generally not register or did you just skim until offended and then go off half-cocked? No one is using sub standard materials in the examples I'm talking about: They're making production quality firearms on standard designs. You realize the ar 15, for instance, is so public domain its not even funny? Here, check out this sweet hot tub Seriously: Plans are EVERYWHERE. And not just for ARs, also for AKs, Glocks, 1911s etc etc.

3) See here we are again with you NOT READING THE ******NED LINKS OR UNDERSTANDING THE *********KING DISCUSSION BEFORE TALKING. CNC mills (yes HOME and CHEAP mills) are likewise freely available. Plans? Freely available. If they're banned? The internet is forever, or did you not understand that? Like you understand that people use the web for all sorts of verboten commerce and the ones that are caught are few and far between and usually only because they engaged an FBI agent not a real seller? You likewise understand that local black markets that don't use the internet are ubiquitous? Of course you do.

4) Which is why you don't try to print a primer, and you produce it normally. Which, yes, is more dangerous than the rest of the process, and requires the most expertise. Good thing libraries are a thing, have you ever REALLY dug through the stacks for old school chemistry texts etc? There are many, many interesting things to discover
IDK about where you're from, but here in Texas its totally legal to produce your own explosives (gotta fill in a form etc for BATFE) so its not an arcane mystery down here. You are also forgetting that you can steal or otherwise smuggle ammunition just as easily (in fact more easily) as you do dope. See point above on local black markets.

5) So do you want me to forward the plans for glocks, 1911s, lutys, ARs, AKs, FALs, etc or can we agree that if I'm committing a plethora of felonies producing these illegal guns and ammo because vive le revolucion under the conception of a total and authoritarian ban on both the items themselves and the materials (like ****ing METAL) to make them, that I don't give a **** about patent protections? Can we likewise agree that if I have a copy to study, or a manual with a diagram, I can fairly easily reproduce the specs and program a CNC mill for it? Firearms are pig stupid simple machines and they've been out in public for so long you'll never be able to round up every electronic copy, or even the physical copies, of the diagrams etc.

6) Let's look at historic examples then shall we? Australia has a very comprehensive ban. They had a turn in. By their own count, they got 20% of what they KNEW to be out there. Not a whole lot of compliance there chief.
The euros? Similar problems, and by their own counts. People just don't comply, and they stash the items against needing them later. It appears your psych principles are perhaps more useful in theory than in practicality, perhaps you forgot to carry a one somewhere?

In conclusion: I would take it as a personal favor if you'd read the ****ing links first, understand them, THEN start running your mouth. Not that I don't enjoy browbeating you with facts and all, its just that I'm ever so busy and I'm not sure I can always promise to give such expressed ignorance of the discussion topic (as is revealed by your comments on 3d printing showing you didn't read the ****ing OP or the article) the attention it needs to be turned into knowledge.

 

Googling the black market production of guns in the Philippines or Pakistan shows guns can be made with simple hand tools, but better tools, drill presses, CNC Mills, etc., can be had relatively inexpensively from places like Harbor Freight.
When I was a young teen, we had a little cottage industry in Northern Ireland, reloading ammo (even rimfire) using home made propellants, for example using Strike Anywhere matches, and even making our own black powder... they would work fairly well, but weren’t, perhaps, match quality. But, then, there was also (still is) a black market for guns and ammo of WWII vintage, EU sources, American and other sources. Even as teens, in one of the most firearm restricted countries in the world, we could find access to smuggled weapons, and even now, it’s not overly difficult to acquire a firearm (even full auto) if you know The Who, where and how.... you are rarely more than two or three degrees from a source.

 

What always amazes me is you'll get people who will say "prohibition just causes black markets" on the subject of alcohol or drug prohibition, and will with a straight face segue directly into gun prohibition will get all those nasty guns from the badsmens

 

As in the US during prohibition and modern times with the drug/sex trade or any organized criminal enterprise, firearms are ubiquitous tools of the trade, providing the means for protection against robbery of trade goods or encroachment of ‘turf’, and as such are often provided along with the black market goods for that purpose. But, anywhere guns are highly controlled such as the EU, Mexico & S.America, guns themselves are not only trafficked, but sometimes disappear from official, sanctioned sources, because of their value. Many weapons in the EU, Mexico and S.America come from police and military sources; I’ve witnessed that first hand. Then too, there are stores of guns from remaining military stock piles left from historic conflicts the find their way to the market.
The only ones that seem not to know this are the PollyAnnie or intentionally politically dishonest types.
But then, anyone with simple tools can make their own, something many teens do as part of their growing experiences.

 

OK, to begin.

Firstly just to please you I went back and watched ALL the links again. Some of which BTW was actually quite interesting. And guess what? They all proved the point that ….. surprise, surprise you can print firearms at home. A fact I never disputed to begin with.

What I did do was list some reasons why the issue might not be as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Importantly at no point did I suggest the issues I raised were guaranteed to prevent the home printing of firearms. All they do is raise potential technical and legal obstacles to the process which could, I repeat could be used to make the process harder than it would be otherwise.

You seem to seen the issue as black and white. Well guess what? Like lots of things in life the issue is simply more complicated than that, pardon me for pointing that out.

Secondly if you are going to make sweeping statements online to the effect that Home Printing = NO effective gun control measures ever (and that’s what you did). You have to expect a detailed breakdown of reasons why this might not be the case. I mean I could have just said ‘that’s not necessarily true’ and left it at that. But then you would have said ‘why’ - and I end up having to state my reasons anyway.

Thirdly, the reference to non-standard materials was a reference to materials other than metal like polymers and ceramics that you can potentially construct firearm parts from. The reference to ‘plans‘ was to non-commercial (home) designed firearms or proposed modifications to existing designs NOT a reference to off the shelf commercial designs by the likes of Colt etc. Both are available on-line if you go looking. (Also no-where did I talk about ‘banning plans’ so for both our sakes in future could you please restrict your criticisms to what I actually say rather than what you seem to imagine it is I said.

And while you probably have the skills and experience to print a firearm at home and produce a safe and effective end product that doesn’t mean everyone else out there with access to a printer and a computer is that competent! So for the novice the process is fraught with risk - for themselves and others. That point stands.

Oh, and as far as the rest of it goes - arcane chemistry/make my own explosives? Really??? I’d just purchase my primers and powder from a local supplier. And again I never said anything about banning purchases of self-loading supplies, hell I used to do it myself. I just pointed out that printing a firearm is not the be all and end all of the process. You still have to obtain ammo etc and purchases of that can be traced, if someone wants to.

Also by profession I work with people who hunt paedophiles, drug dealers and black market firearm dealers for a living. You might be surprised to hear that we can actually track them on-line with some success, yes it takes time and effort but it can be done. And yes it’s a game of wack-a-mole but as upsetting as it may be for you to hear should it ever be legislated we could probably track down people who download firearm designs off the internet as well, just like we do paedophiles .And that would be a game of wack-a- mole to.

As for Australia’s ban on semi-automatic firearms, like it or not as far as it’s intended purpose goes (the prevention of mass shootings/use by criminals etc) it has been reasonably effective, not perfect of course but what legislation ever is? And again, no-where in my previous post did I suggest support for such a ban in the US. I have no real opinion either way on that topic, firstly because it’s your problem not mine and secondly it’s one that is obviously WAY more complicated and potentially expensive than our ban here was.

In summary, the whole point of my post was that you blanket statement about printing and the futility of gun control legislation was simplistic (and self serving). Like lots of things in life the issue is simply more complicated than that.

Should gun control legislation of some sort be legislated in the US then yes, someone who wants to can still print firearms parts. But there are reasons why the widespread adoption of this process may not be as easy as you seem to think it would be. I just listed some, that’s all. And again nowhere did I suggest that any of those reasons were a perfect, iron clad way of preventing people from getting hold of printed firearms.

Oh and finally ‘brow beat’ me with facts? Really? Not even close. And whats with all the F* bombs? You seem waaaay to tense dude, you need to chillax, perhaps get massage or a bit of ‘me’ time in that hot tub you of yours.