Geert Wilders as EU-President, Maria Le Pen as Minister of Foreign Affairs , why not?

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Why Turks are allow to have Erdogan, but Europeans are prohibited to have Wilders and Le Pen?
     
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    Besides yourself, who said it's prohobited now genius?
     
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    You're totaly right!... I can't understand how people can always vote for socialist! EVERY the socialist governement have been a disaster!... That's so stupide, that's a suicide for a country...
     
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    Your people has just elected one. Congratulations.
     
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    52%... That's a tiny majority... And, this isn't a support election, they have choice François Hollande just 'cause they want eject Nicolas Sarkozy... Every the leaders of Européans country have been ejected; so, that's normal for Sarkozy... People touhght that's the leader's fault if the Europe is in a bad situation, but that's wrong...

    And, I'm sure people will regret it when they will know better François Hollande...
     
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    Eurosocialists are not socialists
     
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    you know him better ? :)
     
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    or simply Korea,Kuba and former SSSR socialism is not the real socialism?
    as a matter of the fact it is totally wrong to say that any country is totally socialist or democratic,despite the constitution.
     
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    You guys forgot us Germans.
    If Holger Apfel gets no worthy job, Germany will make its own Union.
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    I'm very pleased about hearing de-election of Turk-oppressing guy. Maybe as a non-immigrant you wouldn't regret his re-election but you can't say the same about immigrants. The main factor of his failure is his hostile attitudes towards French citizens of immigrant origin and discrimination, and leak of his secrets with Gaddafi (the fund), which weakened the support to him.
     
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    You know that Geert Wilders is half Indonesian and dyes his hair blonde.
     
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    :evileye:identity crisis? :/
     
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    I reckon.. he has also spent many many months of his life in Israel.
     
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    Shock horror, Ostap Bender calls for neo Nazi government in Europe.

    No surprise there then.
     
  15. clarisse150

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    Sarkozy isn't a bloody french... Hollande is (what a shame for us!) The dad of Sarkozy is come from Austria;
    he haden't an hostile attitude with the immigrants, one million are go to France the last 5 years, when he was president. He just want preserve the french identity, and he's right, that's very important to do that. Hollande want the islamisation of France and destroy the French identitiy. I ask me if he know the words of the French anthem to, because he sing very "strangely"... Hollande just suck so much.

    Don't think that all the French with foreing origin vote for Hollande, that's very wrong; I know a lot of people who aren't born in France and who vote for the right; and there's a lot of people with French origins who vote for the left.
     
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    Well Sarkozy exiled Romani people out of country and attempted to create a stupid law about the so-called genocide to push Turkish population in the country. But I can't say Hollande is much of an angel either because he also promised same stupid (*)(*)(*)(*) about the law just to get Armenian votes but I still think he would be better than an hypocrite like Sarkozy. I know you support Sarkozy so no offense if my words offend you because that's what I honestly think about him. All I praise is that the heavy-oppressor is gone and the new "socialist" guy will be less-oppressive towards Turks. Turks in your country will still have very limited freedom of speech and even get punished for stating their views. Not even a socialist is enough to let Turks have their freedom of speech, because of heavy influence of Armenian diaspora in your country.
     
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    Romani have been expelled because they had no paper and because the population who live not far to them complained about steal etc... It wasn't racist, that's just Sarkozy's opponent who had say that for destroy his reputation; Sarkozy isn't racist. Sarkozy is great.

    About Armenian, it was a very good idea; Turks must admit their crime. I think that's very well to help the Armenian, and a lot of them where very happy about this idea of Sarkozy. There's a lot of Armenian in France, so, that's well.
    And, Turks have not limited freedom in France! I don't understand why you said that!
     
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    Why I said that? Isn't it clear? Why's France so obsessed about Turks "admitting" their so-called "crime" more than any other country? It's noone France's business. And punishing (jailing & fining) people who deny a non-existant genocide is direct violation of freedom of speech. Let those who call it "genocide" and those who refuse the term have their say. Having such absurd law is favoring a minority over another, and that's why Sarkozy's racist law was refused by your court. The Armenian diaspora influence amongst your politicans are so high, and there's nothing your politicans can't do just to please them, even if that means they'll need to discriminate another minority.

    Not to mention Gaddafi fund, Gaddafi funded Sarkozy €50,000,000 before 2007 elections yet Sakozy bombed him out in 2011 just because the Libyan rebels offered him 35% of Libya's oil resources. No offense again but I don't understand your blinded support towards Sarkozy.
     
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    This isn't a question of freedom speech. There was a genocide, all the Europe said it, a lot of country say that, except the Turks! Say that this genocide is a lie is wrong; and that's a shame for all the Armenian who are death during the genocide.
    It was a very good idea; Sarkozy was totaly right (as usual). I think he have do that just for be more popular, there's no any story about the Armenian diaspora!

    This letter who said that Gaddafi have pay 50 000 000 euros for Sarkozy is totaly wrong. That's a false letter, a lot of people who know well the Libya have say that. Don't believe the press who is in the bigest majority for the left. This letter was just a plan of the Party Socialist, I think; it have been "discover" just before the election, that's not a coincidence.

    I support Sarkozy because I love very much my country; I want see France powerful and in well condition. I don't want that my country get managed by a stupid person as Hollande who have a program without any saving as every socialist (all the socialist are stupid... Greece, Spain and a lot of other country who are in a bad situation now where managed by sociaslist, and I don't want that for France) who don't speak well, who isn't clever etc... Sarkozy have been a very good president; I'm very grateful. It's a shame that he isn't president back!... I just hope he will have a beautiful life, he will rest because he have deserve it well. It's a very great person. Vive Nicolas Sarkozy :heart:
    And, Hollande hate France, he musn't manage a country if he don't love it... This picture let's see very well the difference of patriostism enter Sarkozy and Hollande, that's just some photo of their meeting: (click and see the flag...)
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    It is a question of freedom of speech. You accept it as a genocide, I do not accept it as "genocide", and if I'm living in a country with freedom of speech I should have right to have my say instead of getting jailed and fined for stating it. Just because you think it's a "lie" it doesn't make it a lie. It's lie to one side, and it's truth to another. Do you punish your politicans because you think they lie aswell? Or do you get jailed and fined by denying Khojaly Genocide (I wonder if you ever heard about it?) aswell? History is not business of politicans. How would you feel if we in Turkey added a law jailing and fining anyone who deny what France did in Algeria? The law is nothing more than a political tool to oppress Turkish minority in France!

    Although I still find your support towards Sarkozy extreme, I still can have emphaty with you because I see you dislike Hollande the same way I dislike Erdoğan; because you don't find your president patriotic and you even think he hates your country and is a traitor. But there's a difference between you and me: I concluded that Erdoğan is a traitor after 12 years of his govern, yet Hollande is a freshly elected leader and I think you should leave all your prejudices for some time and give him time to decide whether he's a traitor or true governor.

    By the way I don't get purpose of the image you posted. I assume the one in top is Sarkozy's and the one on bottom is Hollande's meeting. I see French flags in both the top and the bottom. Just because there are more flags in Sarkozy's meeting does this make Hollande a traitor?
     
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    This is a genocide. Armenians have been killed just because there where Armenian, so, this is genocide and nothing else.
    You can't deny an evidence. It's as if I said that there two sun in the sky and said that can be right because of the freedom of speech; that's stupid...
    If politicians don't care about history, who will do it?... Sarkozy was right to speak about history. I will not to have any problem if there's a law for Algeria's war; in France, we assume all our history, even the shameful thing, we aren't as Turkey.

    I'm really very proud to support Sarkozy. Sarkozy is a very great man!
    Well, Hollande was know before the election; the member of his party, the Party Socialist aren't patriot, there's no one who is. During the election, he have been so arrogant; he have lie a lot, said a lot of wrong things about Sarkozy.
    He is in the government since a tiny time, but I already hate how he govern France; juste after his election, he have been very arrogant, I thought, he had a bad behavior with Sarkozy who have been very nice with him; he have been so ridicul when he have meet Angela Merkel, really... He want limit the control of indentity, that's so stupid, he will decrease the power of Police, etc... He is a very bad policitician; he have been elected just because his friend socialist DSK is went, that's all.

    Ahw, I don't think your eyes are very OK... Personnaly, I've just see one French flag in the bottom, all the other are some foreing flag... His friend Mélanchon, the communist had a lot of URSS's and foreing flag in his meeting to... In the top there's only some French flag, and a lot, that's similar in all the right's meeting.The left isn't patriot.
     
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    Yawn, Armenians have been killed jooooooooooost because they're Armenians, is that what Armenian diaspora tell you in France? I don't know whether to laugh or facepalm. If they were killed jooooooooooost because they were Armenian how come they were amongts most wealthiest communities without violence before World War I? Let me tell you the story in short; Armenians during World War I were provoked and armed against Ottoman Empire by Russia, and they commited various crimes (namely Dashnak/Tashnak org.) against both Turkish and Kurdish civilians and rebelled against the empire, the Ottoman intellectuals in return had to considerable number of Armenians to Syria, however during the exile many Armenians died because of illness and diseases and they were attacked by locals because the locals wanted to "take revenge" from the Armenians. In other words, there was no "systematic destruction" and therefore it cannot be considered as a "genocide", and the Armenian govt. knows this very well that's why instead of opening their archives they prefer to play political games.

    During the shameful Nagorno-Karabagh War the Armenians committed Khojaly Genocide, I'm sure to deny Khojaly Genocide is legal in France and you don't get jailed & fined for it. Moreover, not long ago an Armenian org. called ASALA, backed by Armenian government itself, killed many Turkish diplomats. Yes, they were killed just because they were Turkish, totally irrevelant people to anything Armenian.

    So may I ask if whether you law is hypocrital and racist or not? Were you even aware of anything I mentioned above?

    By the way my eyes are okay, well, the image you gave me was too small. I don't think would be hard to find a Hollande rally with French flags. I just randomly searched Google and here's one:

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    Also you said many immigrants also vote for Sakozy. But yet in the image you posted I see immigrants waving their flags in Hollande's meeting and you complain about this, doesn't this show immigrants also voted for Hollande due to the reason I stated earlier?
     
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    Would you please stop with the Armenian Diaspora?... It was just Sarkozy's idea, nothing else.
    Well, I have never say that the Armenian where totally right and the Turkish totally wrong; that's not easy like that. But you can't deny that there have been a genocide.

    That's extremely sad for the Turkish who have been killed!... Well, there is some bad people in all the country, I don't think that we can make some generality, Armenian aren't perfect people, there's some bad people in their country, like in all the countries...

    The law isn't racist... All the Europe speak about a genocide; I don't think that all the Europe is racist...
    For be sincere, I have never hear before what you have said to me about the Armenian and the Turkish; but I think that's more because in Europe we know well the history of Europe, and not of Turkey, etc...

    Well, sory for the image... She was big, before, and when I have post my message, she was very small!
    If you want see some photo about the meeting about I speak, you type "Hollande Bastille" on Google and you will have a lot of photo... I don't say a lie when I said that there isn't French flag, everybady have speak about that...

    Well, in your image, I see more pink flag, Hollande's pary, the Party Socialist use a lot the pink color. That would say that for Hollande's supporter, the PS is more important than France. In Sarkozy's meeting, there isn't a lot of flag of the UMP party; there's more French flag.
    I don't complain about immigrants, you haven't understand! I complain about the flag; I don't think that's normal to see only some foreing flag in a meeting politic; in private life, ok, that's very well, but not in a politic meeting...! That's not normal!
     
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    Wow, which vile point of view do I hate the most.

    Is it the collaborationist, neo-Vichy, racism of a France that expels EU citizens because they are racially Rroma people, revealing its complete lack of shame in its participation in and cooperation with the Nazi Holocaust in the 1940's? Or is it the Holocaust denying Turkish position that stifles any freedom of speech within Turkey for those who pursue the truth that Armenians were exterminated by Turkish nationalists last century? Is it the disgusting French neo-fascism that re-defines Europe as no longer including Turkey, as it always has done in my lifetime, and posits secular France, famous for its embrace of "laicite", as the promoter of "Christendom"? Or is it the usual nationalist drivel that the continuing flouting of Kemalist traditions and human rights in Turkey, is "none of anyone's business"?

    Takes me back to the Presidential election where france covered itself in glory by voting in millions for post Vichy neo-Nazis, as of course it has just done. La France collaboratice with millions shamelessly voting for a party with direct connections to Jew haters, Holocaust supporters, torturers (Jean Marie Le Pen), and thugs. Let's face it, Le Pen did not hide her ugly racism and yet those French who like the Bourbons, have learned nothing and forgotten nothing, flocked in droves to support her. As the French Establishment looked on and kow towed to her, from Right and Left, careful to not call those five million voters by their rightful description : Nazi, collaborating scum. La honte d'Europe.

    Vote for the criminal, not the fascist. It's the best that France has got. A country that spend decades pretending that its people were victims of the nazis instead of the willing partners they actually were. A country where everyone joined the resistance in the second half of 1944. A country which mythologizes about freeing itself when it was freed by British, Canadian and American troops. There are many honourable people in France. Today they are quiet, except for the extreme Left. The French flirt with fascism and "christian" supremacy because they never really got taught the lesson that Germany learned after 1945. teh anti-smitic heirs of the Dreyfus Affair went unmolested into the second half of the 20th century. Now they have morphed from Jew haters to muslim haters. Just as the Nazis persecuted the Rroma, so does the modern French State.

    J'accuse!
     
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    To the answer the question why not - because Le Pen and Wilders are neo-fascists and entirely without moral principle.

    Like?

    Really? I guess that explains why France has just elected a socialist government, eh? LOL Nice try mate, you need to read more basic news and not crap from jihadwatch.

    "Many" is a bit too large a description. There are certainly a lot, but there are far more that are opposed to such nonsense. Furthermore the rise of the right in Europe has far more to do with economics and socio-cultural propaganda that facilitates their platforms rather than serious political principle. Le Pen's father was a holocaust denier after all.

    Actually Europeans seem quite content to retain left wing politics. If anything we are seeing a polarization due to mismanagement of economic policy. It will probably dissipate in a few years, that is, once the crisis dies down.

    No chance in hell. Why not? See above - they are nutters.
     

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