German Chancellor unveils WWII Holocaust Memorial

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20050780

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is to unveil a memorial in Berlin to the Roma (Gypsy) victims of the Nazi Holocaust.

The memorial - a circular pool of water with a small plinth in the middle - will be in the Tiergarten park, near the Reichstag, the German parliament building.

The unveiling comes after years of delays and disputes over the memorial's design and its cost.

Experts say between 220,000 and 500,000 Roma were killed during World War II.

"It's very important to me that we have a culture of remembrance," Mrs Merkel said in an interview on her YouTube channel.

"Every generation must confront its own history afresh. And for that we must have suitable places that people can go to in the future, when the witnesses from the time are no longer alive."

Mrs Merkel acknowledged that the building of the memorial had taken a long time and entailed "many discussions", and recalled that the memorial to murdered Jews of Europe had also taken more than 15 years to complete.

President Joachim Gauck and some 100 elderly survivors will join Mrs Merkel at the opening ceremony on Wednesday.

Ongoing discrimination

The memorial has been designed by the Israeli artist Dani Karavan. A fresh flower will be laid on the plinth at the centre of the memorial every day.

Between 220,000 and 500,000 Roma were killed during World War II
"Auschwitz" by Italian poet Santino Spinelli is engraved around the pool's rim.

A chronology of the Nazi extermination campaign stands next to the memorial.

In 1982, Germany officially recognised the genocide of the Roma and Sinti - a related people who live mostly in German-speaking areas of Central Europe.

The leader of the Central Council of Sinti and Roma in Germany, Romani Rose, will also be at the ceremony.

He told Agence France-Presse: "Opening the memorial sends an important message to society that anti-Roma sentiment is as unacceptable as anti-Semitism."

However, Roma organisations and human rights groups say they are still discriminated against in many European countries.

German newspapers on Wednesday pointed out that Germany turns down asylum applications from Roma from Kosovo, and some accused Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich of unacceptable discrimination when he referred recently to "increasing abuse of asylum from countries in the Balkans".

A front-page commentary by Klaus Hillenbrand in Die Tageszeitung said: "It is, of course, nevertheless right for the chancellor and the president to turn the inauguration of the modest memorial into an act of state... Better decades too late than never."

However, in Berlin's Der Tagesspiegel, Gerrit Bartels says that, although the memorial "finally recognises the Nazi genocide of Europe's Sinti and Roma... it certainly does not show future generations of Sinti and Roma a way out of the dilemma between exclusion, separation and assimilation".


I have so many reasons to be proud of my country.

 

Millions of people from all different nations were killed by the crazy Germans but a clever propaganda and an excellent zionist media machine only ever remembers the Jews.

You have to salute them for that

Good that the Roma get remembered so what about all the others Angela?

 

You can only blame your own education system that didnt teach you the diffrence between systematic genocide of citizens and dying as soldires in war, and its not just the Jews that are remembered, you see what you want to see.

 

You do, no other country in the world was brave enough to face its own dark history the way Germany did, its an example for all (including my own country).

 

They're Gypsys

Who cares

 

When will the true holocaust of palestine be recognized by Israelis occupation?

is it 'godlose' when turning holocaust into a memorial for palestine?

Some hate germany for what happened 70 years ago and ended. But for the last 70yrs, zionist have terrorized Palestinians, with the intent to exterminate them from the lands of their birth (genocide).


The old farts are whining about what was, while the compassionate need to step up and stop the holocaust, as it is happening; israel's occupation of jerusalem (UN Res 476, 47 and the oppression of the region.

If it dont stop soon, the ones to survive will be the ones that can say, "I ran".


Exodus 15
To Your holy habitation.


14 “The people will hear and be afraid;
Sorrow will take hold of the inhabitants of Philistia.
15 Then the chiefs of Edom will be dismayed;
The mighty men of Moab,
Trembling will take hold of them;
All the inhabitants of Canaan will melt away.
16 Fear and dread will fall on them;
By the greatness of Your arm
They will be as still as a stone,




it's in their own literature "not to" do it, cuz it will be ugly.

 

We must never forget, or history will repeat.

 

I assume when we reach peace we could discuss all things and recognize each other tragedies, now its just used to bash the other side.

and a "genocide" that goes on for 40 years while the victims actually grow in numbers is not really a genocide.

 

Arab swine do not want to be reminded of the whole sale slaughter of the Jewish people in the Nazi's attempts to exterminate them completely, this is because the Islamic Imperialist swine have similar aspirations and have been slaughtering Jews since the false pedophile prophet Mohammad.

 

Got to love the double talk of the genocidal Islamic Imperialist swine who have been exterminating and forcefully converting the peoples of the world since the time that their false pedophile prophet slaughtered the Banu tribes on the Arabian continent, how soon we all forget the largest genocide in the history of mankind perpetrated by these Arab Muslim pigs against the Hindus and Buddhists on the Indian subcontinent, how soon we forget that when given the option of peace the so called "palestinians" elected an organization which calls for the extermination of world Jewry right in their charter, wherever Islam goes genocide against the infidel follows.

 

Mrs. Merkel you want the gypos? you can have them. Oh wait no you don't. Hypocrite. I don't like how she pretends to take the high road when she's really playing petty politics.

Its good that this is happening I suppose, As Max said, these things should be recognized so their is less tolerance for similar attitudes in the future, but in general Germany has done a good job of recognizing their past mistakes, and Liebe you do have a lot of reasons to be proud of your country, Germany is the heart of the EU, and it has contributed so much to the world, but this is something that had to be done.

 

Absolutely. The lesson of the German experience is that any society could fall prey to what they did. Even a very cultured advanced one as theirs was.

 

I have never found out why Germany has had to go along with the Holocaust lie, so much so as to make it's denial illegal, once the Wall to the proofs or not of it came down..

I believed the Holocaust happened all my life, it wasn't until the law making it illegal to deny it came into being that I started to question Why ? What have they to hide ?

A few years later, when I had time to, I started to research it. I found no proof of an organized systematic genocide of any one by any one during WWII. Autrocities and horrors enough and starvation and thousands of deaths from typoid. Mistreatment, worked, on starvation rations, in terrible conditions, to death.

No one can deny the misery of the Jewish peoples plight during the Nazi regime but there is no forensic evidence, nor documantry evidence nor any credible eye witness testimonies proving the Holocaust. Nor does it make sense, nor is it feasible.

Germany was moving Jewish peoples East, the intent was to build a Jewish homland ourside Europe, The Zionists wanted the Homeland to be Israel, we cannot blame them for this nor their method which was to shout Holocaust, again. This time their timing was right and in the end the lie was extreemly useful for the Allies to cover up autrocities of their own. The Victor always writes the History books.

I am not a Neo Nazi, far from it. I am not Anti Semetic nor even totally Anti Zionist .but 'Is the truth not atrocious enough?' Paul Rassinier

 

Apparently, Nazi Germany were fond of making given books illegal, and throwing the authors of them, in prison.

Thankfully, all this time later, Germany has progressed to making given books illegal, and throwing the authors of them, in prison.

Hurrah for free expression and progress.

Angie baby is a hypocrite, as well.

Not so long ago, it would have been 'wrong' to suggest that rampant multi culturalism was going to have a negative social and economic impact on a given nation.

To even dare suggest that it could be a car crash, made you a pariah.

Then, not so long ago, Angie baby pipes up, and tells us it's been a failure.

Right.

So, it is okay for her to say it, just not us plebs, right?

I would say she has played more than her part in forcing it on countries, including her own.

And now she says it has not worked.

So. What is she going to do about it then? What are all those that worked hard to force this social experiment on us, going to do about it, to fix it?

As to the other, you are right, we need really to look at this in a non emotional and objective manner.

Extraordinary claims merit extraordinary evidence.

There is no evidence of a policy for the extermination of all Jews, by Germans.

Nothing.

No orders, no directives, nothing.

If people really think that something of this scale would have no documented order, they are kidding themselves.

The idea of it being word of mouth based, or the idea of Germans running around, at the end, burning all paper evidence is, quite honestly, the stuff of Monty Python.

 

I have never understood the thinking behind the Socialist Social Experiment of ' Multi Culturism' ..To be honest I don't think they did think, it was the beginning of the time when Politicians had never lived a life other than Politics and so were as they still are quite mad, never grown out of teenage idealisms or greed. All civerlisations are Multi Cultural , it is organic but to force huge swathes of different peoples apon one another .........don't any of them read History books ? Nope eh ?

I don't know what they will do about it all, nothing sensible thats for sure and definatly something nasty and 'authoritarian' as though we were all naughty children and they righteous psudo Victorian parents.

Of the Holocaust, it is a horrible and emotional journey, researching that one ...not for the faint hearted We will never be able to have an objective discussion because that would be illegal in the whole of the EU now ............. I spent two years of intenesive research and a little since. It didn't happen and there are those who say, it doesn't matter now it was so long ago. It matters that we realise, 'we' are not that evil and also we are all as bad as each other as well as as good as each other. The Devil lie as well as the God lie keep us under the thumb.

 

It's all very well spending money on a memorial.

Why now?

Everyone says that the Roma were apparently victimised, and they have said this for ages.

What use is a memorial to them?

What practical purpose does it serve, to them?

They are nomadic anyway, so, at best, they will pass it as they travel.

How much financial compensation did the Roma get?

How often is it paid, and by whom?

What about the homsexuals that were said to be victims?

Do they have a memorial, and how much compensation have they had, and paid by whom.

What about the Red Army butchers, who accounted for the rape of just about every single women, in Berlin?

As well as other atrocities. How many of them were sent for war crimes trials? How did those trials play out?

After all, war crimes are war crimes, right?

 

Akhi, it is criminal for the Zionists to usurp the story of others and reduce said histories in the minds of many to the point that even those who fall subject to the propaganda of Zionist devils and beasts will defend the relegation of others through comparison of the tragedies they and their fore-bearers have suffered. I do not lament over such deeds being that if all learn valuable moral lessons from their afflictions and oppression will come out stronger and more resilient still. Surely our Lord abandons those in tumult and oppression, unless they abandon themselves.

 

The was a man who said that he was the King of the Romanis ..he wasn't they don't have a King, but he tryed for a home land and compensation Ah well can't blame a fella for trying eh ?

For most of Literalist Christianitys' History Jews were not allowed to own their own homes nor have certain jobs and were often made to live in ghettos, their wealth often confiscated ...thus William Rothschild came to being the sort
of Banker we know now. Gypsys too were ill used all through our times............. this is the problem with unraveling the truths from the fictions, there is much truth with in the lies. Both these peoples Histories are troubled ones but now both these peoples are being again ill used for the propoganda of a few ........and not for the good of either of these peoples either, look at the rise of Anti Semetism again. It makes ones heart bleed, we just go round and round and round in our ignorance.

Until the US broke it with those traversties of Justice the Nuremburg trials , the Europans had a pact that we would only ever put on trial of War Crimes, our own.

As for the Germans papers, they documented everything, absolutly everything. There are papers being found all the time in Russia, but they are sent straight to what was the Jewish Council I think, I forget which organization now, not good on retaining names ect, anyway it is a very Zionist organization and they allow no one to see the actual documents .no one not even the poor relatives of the missing, nor anyone to authenticate them ............. ya can't win in an Inquisition ........no body can.

 

Look at all the holocaust deniers gather around.
That's so cute.

 

Indeed, and very thorough they were about it.

Again, this idea that they documented everything EXCEPT this, is just plain stupid.

Compounded only by the notion that they then destroyed their records, because, keeping them would be incriminating.

But wait.

They were sent for war crimes trials anyway, right?

And hunted down, for the next 250 yrs.

So, they may as well have held onto these records, eh?

I mean, what difference would it have made to their fate, had they done so?

None.

Most of the 'evidence' and 'testimony' came from the same Red Army who had raped their way across Berlin.

You know, the war criminal Red Army, who never stood on war crimes trials for some reason.

Jack

 

Holocaust is from the Greek and the 6 million is from a Torah prediction.

It is not a matter of denial, it is a matter of finding out the truths about ourselves, other than the propoganda machines ...in order to know ourselves and in knowing ourselves have a chance of looking forward to a future of Peace on Earth.

 

The reason being that they won the War ......Russia won the War. Not us not the USAs' money, The Russian hordes did.

We bombed it to kingdom come but on the ground it was Russia.

 

I know

 

Do you ?

http://www.saveyourheritage.com/eisenhowers_death_camps.htm




Your own camps .......

 

Exactly.

For instance, it would be one thing to say that the US were not right to put troops on the ground in Iraq, and that many of their actions caused a lot of death, and misery, of innocent people, also.

But i would object to the idea that there was a firm policy of, for instance, feeding prisoners to sharks.

It matters.

It is the details that count, for if one or two details start to sound dodgy, or are erratic, it may call other parts into question, rightly so.

Then there have been so many so called 'survivors' that look as fit as a fiddle, sell and tell all manner of strange fables, and are later shown to have made it up.

No one used the term holocaust re the Nazi's, until around the 70's.

The term existed, but it did not come into common parlance until the 70's.