Germany confesses ' special responsibility for Israel '

Do all those you mentioned report to you in detail about their motives?

 

The motive is irrelevant.

What ever the motive is for Nederlands calling out Israels atrocities and oppression does not change the fact that Israel is guilty of atrocity and oppression of the Palestinians.

The motive for the UN calling out Israel on violation of the agreement(s) by which Israel was "allowed" to have their own state, is because Israel is violating those agreements.

 

Yeah, it was an "agreement" that didn't include Israel. And it was a PLAN to create a nation of Israel. A plan that was never implemented

 

West Bank and Gaza have some of the highest rate of natural population growth in the world. What ethnic cleansing? Ethnic cleansing would involve a REDUCTION of the numbers of people of that ethnicity. Not one of the largest increases in the world.

 

As usual you understand nothing. Im German, i vote far right and im member of the Junge Alternative. And i support Israel. I give a **** about what happened 80 years ago and so does our government.

Why?

Because Islam is the enemy and Israel a weapon customer. I see arabs as our enemy. I see the way Israel deals with them as the only right way. And i see the hundred nillion € weapon deals we make with Israel. If that needs some holocaust talk as colorful cover, so be it.

 

I addressed them directly and did not insult or misquote you. If you had a solid position, you would not have to resort to such tactics. You said you were done, so for those capable of staying on topic, its simple:

Israel is an example of what can be achieved if you focus on improving the lives of your people. They are a thriving country and work hard to improve every day. Its the one small strip of land in the region where it is safe to be Muslim, Christian, gay, atheist, or express an opinion of your own. It is worth protecting. Arab Israelis like things the way they are.

 

Just because Palestinians are reproducing faster than Israelis can kill them doesn't mean that Zionist attempts to kill / expel them is not ethnic cleansing

 

When you ran out of material you addressed my comments with insults.

What position ? I have not taken a "position" in relation to choosing sides like you have. What I have done is pointed out that Israel is guilty of humanitarian crimes, and violated the conditions of the agreement by which it was "allowed" to have a state.

These are the simple facts of the matter. You can not handle these facts so upon hearing them you defaulted into demonize the messenger mode and called me an anti semite.

 

I can respect any position as long as it is honest. You feigned a position of neutrality, but posted an obviously biased remark downplaying the occasional rocket fired. You are also being dishonest about me "demonizing and insulting" you, as well as the basis for my position. (MSM!!!)

There are many opinions on this issue and no one thinks a solution will be found on a forum. Maybe the best solution is to stop trying to solve it!

 

The rockets are occasional and normally in response to something Israel has done. . Don't blame me for your lack of understanding of this. It is not like Israel is being constantly bombarded with rockets 24/7.

The solution is to call a spade a spade. Picking sides and calling out one sides bad deeds while pretending the other is innocent is what serves to propagate this blood feud.

 

Pretty much by definition.

 

There is probably more deliberate distortion of the facts about Hamas' rockets than any other issue. IDF propaganda is as replete with hyperbole as Zionists are eager to spread IDF's lies.

Israel's own Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), however paints a far more accurate picture of the true toll of these relatively harmless & primitive weapons.

"Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks"

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks/

EXCERPTS "This is corroborated by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC),

Below is a list of all the fatalities of rocket and mortar attacks fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel in the entire history of these attacks. Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.

For 2008, it is unknown how the IDF transformed eight fatalities into fifteen.

After a full year of no Israelis being killed by rocket fire from Gaza, Israel had to invade Gaza, prompting the new killing of three Israeli civilians, which provides retroactive justification for the prompting itself.

Still, this is part of the story. As much as the IDF loves to play with numbers, there are certain numbers that it avoids, such as the numbers behind the artillery fire leveled against Gaza, which rivals the number of rocket attacks from Gaza."CONTINUED

That's right, not 1,000, not 500, not 200 but 26 Israelis have died from all Hamas rockets, ever.

As always, I encourage all readers to read the entire article from which I have only taken excerpts.

 

Good post and good points !. The US and the Israeli neocon Zionists are very good and creating and disseminating propaganda ... and keeping information that conflicts with the various false narratives out of the headline news.

 

I never blamed, name called, demonized, or focused on the bad deeds of one side. I did point out the good when it comes to the one small sliver of land where people are safe to be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, atheist, gay, or express an opinion of their own. Also, they have made advances in science, medicine, technology, and agriculture.

 

Since the topic of this thread has to do with Germany's indebtedness to Israel, how many people think that Germany's debt has been paid in full?

Please bear in mind that Germany already built virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure including building steel mills, 3 power plants complete with grid work, railways & the trains to go on them, the gift of 60 ships, untold $Billions in reparations and a copious amount of weaponry that enabled Israel to win the wars of 1967 & 1973.
In spite of the fact that much of the reparations money has been grossly mishandled via fraud (1), children of holocaust survivors want more money from the German government for their psychiatric care(2).
My question, then, is how many generations of innocent, young Germans should have to pay for a crime that happened so long ago to a Claims Conference so replete with fraud?


“The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel”
http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl...Agreement.aspx
EXCERPT “As part of the reparations, many goods reached Israel which helped the state economy to stabilize over the years. For example, Israel received new-fangled German-manufactured trains, which were operated for a number of years by the Israel Railways”CONTINUED


“Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/
EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.
In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


“German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
http://www.bits.de/public/articles/cast06-02.htm
EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED



(1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298
EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”
”CONTINUED


(2) "Children of Holocaust survivors want German government to pay for psychiatric care"

 

Why cant I kill terrorists that want to kill me again ? because Im stronger than them ? right...if you insist

 

Of course you can kill terrorists that want to kill you. Creating a big straw man is not an argument for much.

 

They (Palestine's native residents) didn't want to kill you until Zionist Terrorists & militant, foreign Colonists began massacring them & stealing their land.(1)
It has historically been a Zionist tactic to "provoke-then-massacre".
Israel's Government's Settlements policy is a continuation of that same "provoke-then-massacre"

"Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."
http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm

By the way, the vast majority of those you kill are not Resistance fighters (aka "terrorists") but innocent civilians


(1) “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED

 

I believe the pot and the kettle had such an exchange!

Getting back on topic, I am sure tax payers in Germany may not want to continue paying for another generations atrocities. Israel will be fine either way.

 

OK pot

 

Yes, both Germany & the US have ensured that Israel is doing fine

But.....

The crooks in the holocaust industry's Claims Commission(1) have defrauded the people for whom Germany's untold $ Billions were intended:

"Holocaust survivors struggling to make ends meet in Israel"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/holocaust-survivor-struggle-money-israel

EXCERPT "Despite the horrors of a childhood in the shadow of the Holocaust, Ros Dayan survived to build a life she could be proud of in the new Jewish state of Israel.

She trained as a nurse, she sang in a choir that toured the world. She learnt Hebrew, though she never lost her central European accent. She paid her taxes and eventually bought the tiny house in Jaffa that she had rented at a subsidised rate for years. She even learned to live with the pain of three broken vertebrae, the result of an assault by a Nazi soldier.

But, now, in the last years of her life, Ros is ashamed. One of the 198,000 Holocaust survivors still alive in Israel, she is also one of the growing proportion who cannot make ends meet, who struggle with insufficient funds on a daily basis.

Wiping a single tear with a shaking hand, she says: "For the first time, I don't have enough money for food or clothes. I used to have pride, now I am ashamed."CONTINUED



(1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”

”CONTINUED

 

I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I have pointed out your straw man arguments and don't mind quoting you again if you would like.Please quote mine!

 

You have yet to back up any of your claims in relation to hypocrisy and/or straw man arguments... because there is none.

 

A couple things here:

This isn't about right and wrong, it's about a financial shakedown of Germany using collective, inherited guilt over atrocities both real and imagined while the countries that defeated Germany never have had to morally or financially address their own atrocities.

As far as standing up against racism, it's a highly subjective term and has been used specifically to deprive whites of national sovereignty and continues to be used to justify attacks on the cultural, social and governmental structure of white-founded countries.

Also, I find that those who fervently support the Palestinian cause have a one-sided moral outrage issue on the topic of racism and never hold Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims accountable for theirs.

 

They need spines.