Germany set to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, Der Spiegel reports

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  1. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did they actually hit anything?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is a false statement, as usual.

    Russia has been trying to find a diplomatic solution since Minsk in 2014 at least. It is the US that rejects diplomacy in favor of military aggression. That's how we roll.
     
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    No, it's a true statement. But you seem determined to spew Russian lies for whatever reason. If you actually believe that stuff, I can only wonder why you do.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Most likely you are confusing aggressors and defenders.

    Russia has been trying to reach a diplomatic solution AT LEAST since 2014 and the Minsk Agreement. Lavrov and Putin have stated clearly for many long years that NATO in Ukraine was a redline they could not accept. Government cables released by Wikileaks confirm that the west knew they were provoking Russia. It was a goal of government policy.

    Inform yourself sir.
     
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    Show these Wikileaks cables then?
     
  6. Durandal

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    And here we go with the Russian lies about alleged provocations by the west. No one "provoked" or forced Putler to invade Ukraine in 2014. He chose to annex Ukrainian territory by force and create a military conflict where there was none previously. He did so to capture territory for his Russia. Come 2022, he sought to finish what he had started by taking out the Ukrainian government entirely and occupying and eventually annexing more of Ukraine. It did not go quite to plan, but he did go ahead with trying to annex parts of the east that conveniently form a land bridge to Crimea, his most prized stolen real estate.
     
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    Why? You and the rest of the Choir would declare them false or irrelevant. It's impossible to conduct rational discussion with individuals in denial of reality.
     
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    OK...you can't provide $hit then.:)
     
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    No, if I looked hard enough I could find them, but I know you're style. And I understand the message of "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think".

    That shoe fits you and the choir perfectly Zoom.
     
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    The Dwarfstan still isn't giving up on his "philosophy" of Empire....he still thinks he can force a corridor to Kberg....encircle Baltics,storm Warsaw, capture Molodova, and subdue Finland!!!:roflol::roflol:
     
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    "If I looked hard enough"

    A.k.a....long enough to make $hit up?,make it sound plausible?,and post it claiming to be true?:-D
     
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    I'm surprised no one has forced his "peace keepers" out of Transnistria. I'm thinking his orcs would have a hard time getting there to defend it.
     
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    Poland to send 60 modernised tanks to Ukraine in addition to Leopards
    Fri, January 27, 2023 at 6:55 AM CST

    WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland will send an additional 60 tanks to Ukraine on top of the 14 German-made Leopard 2 tanks it has already pledged, the Polish prime minister said in an interview with Canadian television on Thursday.

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    "Right now, we are ready to send 60 of our modernised tanks, 30 of them PT-91. And on top of those tanks, 14 tanks, Leopard 2 tanks, from in our possession."

    The PT-91 is a Polish-made battle tank that came into service in the 1990s. It was developed from the Soviet-era T-72 range.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/poland-send-60-modernised-tanks-125553244.html

    Poor Rashka. Everyone is ganging up on them. :(
     
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    Transnistria will get dealt with when all this is over. It is on borrowed time. There is no way Ukraine will tolerate Russia soldiers sitting to its rear. The issue is what to do with it once the vermin have been cleared out. It is not clear that Moldova wants to deal with the pro-Moscow scum who run the place now. Moldova's poltics are already pretty toxic. Adding that demographic may tip the entire nation in the wrong direction.

    Anyway, a problem for another day.
     
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    I may have this before but
    Yours is the false statement. It is not up to the US to negotiate with Putin it is Ukraine who he invaded. Putin does not want negotiations anyway he wants Ukraine to capitulate, to accept the occupied territories as Russia. Puck Futin.
     
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    Bessarabia needs to bevsplit 70-30 , with the part bordering Rumania given to Rumania. The part bordering Ukraine to Ukraine. Of course that is only after the vermin and scum are kicked out or otherwise eliminated.
     
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    With Poland, Germany , and others sending tanks that will help to partially fill the gap until the US M1s show up if they ever do.
     
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    True....Transnistria is an unrecognized corrupted $hithole. The Mafiosi basically keep it for drug deals,money laundering, prostitution, human trafficking, and other nefarious schemes.
     
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    Not going to happen. Get a better plan.
     
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    Integrating it will be an issue.
     
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    Are men of fighting age allowed to leave Ukraine?
     
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    Integrating back into Romania?.....or Ukraine?

    It'll take some "de toxifying" of the local population. Too much negative re inforcement of a toxic mindset.
     
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    Many of them are fighting for their homeland....whereas Mafiosi ....many cant get out fast enough.
     
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    But are they being prevented from leaving the country?
     
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    It is not up to Russia to say if Ukraine should or can belong in NATO. It is up to Ukraine and NATO. The hard truth is that Russia invaded the Krym and went into the Donbas. Last year Russian invaded the main part of Ukraine. They are the terrorist invaders. Russia does not want to negotiate they only want Ukraine to capitulate.
     
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