Germany still has 15 billion € open in this year budget and doesnt know what to spend it on

They used a copy of a british engine...

 

Hmmm. American fighter pilots didn't have a whole lot of trouble with the Mig 15.
All in all Russian jets have tended to suck big time and have found American jets a tough nut to crack.

 

Which is rather questionable. The Uno was far superior, despite the lack of high quality steals and alu. It was very easy to maintain, designed to be maintained in the field. The Me262 outperformed any of the British designs into the 50s.
It was only because of Hitler's nutty demand, that 262 should be a attack bomber, which needed modifications, that the 262 was introduced so late. As a fighter she could have been introduced 2 years earlier

 

Yeah you keep believing that.

You do know that we did capture mig-15 and look at its engine? It wasn't based on a german design but a british one.

 

When the 15 was flown by well trained Soviets it was superior to any US fighter, far more agile, better turn radios and climb. Most of the 15s were flown by Chinese pilots with very little training. Well trained and skilled NV pilots gave with the 17 the US fighters a serious run for their money.

 

What ever makes you happy

 

No one cares about Germany's plutonium. What are you going to do? Detonate nuclear weapons along your border? (hey, you're the one who connected nuclear weapons to "invasion threats").

Besides the fact that

1) No nation is going to use a nuclear weapon.
2) No nation is certainly never going to use a nuclear weapon simply to thwart a conventional invasion.
3) There are many more threats to a nations security than "invasions".

The German Air Force, Marines, and Special Units are tiny as well.

 

Assume the Russians go all nationalistic and chippy.

Not a big reach for them you know.

 

Yes, but they would butcher the cow which gives them the milk and they know that. There is one more little difference to the past, cold war, the German border is not any more the immediate frontline. Lots of hostile land to cross and they know that, too.

 

The mig 15 was designed as a point defense fighter it was designed to climb quickly to altitude and shoot down bombers. On paper it out performed the f-86 but tactically it was a poor aircraft manufactured very poorly. It's wings were never the same size and on many instances they simply went out of control during combat. The f-86 had a 10 to 1 kill ratio.

Actually with such disparities in fighter roles it's really hard to say one plane is better than another. What we can say is that Russian planes are designed poorly and poorly manufactured. Many American pilots having flown the Russian crafts complain about cockpit ergonomics.
Anyway the 10-1 kill ratio comes from a combination of quality equipment, good training and experience and sound tactics that play to your strengths agsinst your enemies weaknesses.

 

The special units are more than outstanding and not as tiny as you might think. Not very much talked about.
If there are units in the German army that are up to par with anybody in the world and maybe even better, than it is those units. I served 4 years in one of those.

 

The 10:1 is rather questionable, today it is considered inflated figures.
The 86 was no match for the 15, when flown by Soviet pilots.

 

You don't wait until the enemy is beating on your front door before defending your home. You shoot them while they are in your yard.

Metaphors here and not actual examples.

 

I've no doubt that's true. But you can't win a regular military conflict with "special units". You win with lots of rank and file soldiers.

 

Eh, it wasn't a match to a shooting star fighter...

 

Absolutely correct, without a serious amount of canon fodder, hundreds of tanks and artillery, air planes and helicopter a regular conventional war can not be won.

 

That might be true as a metaphor. But I doubt the Russian Army is much better than the Soviet, which was in hind sight in catastrophic state and would probably not been able to fight longer than 3 weeks, maybe a month.
I don't think any country can afford today a large scale modern conventional war against an other Army, with the same level of technology.
The high rate of losses we had calculated in the 70s, was already mind boggling and probably under estimated. Today unimaginable.

 

that would be great except all Soviet planning was to win a war against NATO in TWO WEEKS, a month at the outside.

And I've seen the estimates rates of losses for both NATO and the Soviets. NATO would've lost something like 1-2,000 aircraft for each week of combat in Europe.

 

Me and the boys were station at the border at the Fulda Gap. They told us 10% survival for the first 24 hours, I considered that as optimistic.
The briefings I sat in, had 200 kilometers on each side of the border, were each village, each town each city would be completely leveled, with in the first week of combat. I grew up in a town which had been completely destroyed and had played in the ruins, I did not doubt those scenarios, I had seen it.
I doubt the Soviets could have made it through the Fulda Gap. The debt of mobile defense would have depleted their number 1 units, their number 2 units were really just canon fodder, training and equipment.
The 1, 2, 3, or maybe 4 weeks of that war would have made WWII and I look like childs play, even without weapons of mass destruction used.
With 50 years of weapons development, the destruction, devastation and loss of live would be 10 fold higher.
Those armies would deplete each other in a week, besides the supply side, which is mind boggling, too.

 

You did not need to capture a 15 to find out. the British government sold those engines, 40, including license to produce them to the Soviets after the war.
The first Soviet jet fighter, Mig 9, was built around the German jet engines. But they were not smart enough to replace to low quality materials with high quality materials.
The British found out about their stupidity, when they inspected a Chinese factory for Chinese Jets, they were the Rolls design, a little more advanced, because they had afterburner.
It does not change the fact German engineers brought the Soviets up to snuff on jet engines.
It does not change the fact that the only operational jet engine in WWII was the Uno, because of its simple design and was way ahead of what the Allies had to offer, at that time.

Please understand, I am not in a pissing contest, whos country is the greatest and who was first and that crap.

 

While the Fulda Gap was an obsession of the U.S. because it was their primary area of responsibility and ultimately defended the huge U.S. air base (Ramstein) near Frankfurt and of massive interest to the West Germans for obvious reasons as it was the shortest distance across the country for the Soviets...but we know of course now that the Soviet never thought the Fulda Gap was their primary axis of attack. They always considered the North German Plain as the best possible attack area.

Mainly because it offered

1) Hamburg, largest city in West Germany was near at hand.
2) The North German Plain was the most "tankable" country in West Germany.
3) Parts of the NATO forces assigned to defend the North German Plain such as the Belgians and Dutch were not that highly regarded.

 

Trump is only temporary. Just stand firm and remember that there are lots of Americans who value US-German relations.

 

That is pure nonsense.

 

Hell no. The british had the meteor operational during WW2. Your knowledge of military history is quite deficient. Not as bad as Sobo but still...