Global monkey torture ring exposed by BBC (msn.com) More info at the link. Some pretty sick folks here. What kind of people do this stuff? I feel the behavior of these people is unthinkable.
I understood the joke; I'm just making my own joke about the inference that your joke was based on. I think that went over your head. But that's okay. It happens.
Actually, you made yourself (and your fellow conservatives) the "joke," by bringing up, & walking right into, the subject of the politics of these perverse sadists. My guess would have been that liberals are less likely, in general, to be involved with the torture, and killing of animals-- such as in big game "hunting" (especially when it is penned in); coqk fighting, and dogfights-- than are more conservative types, who would be inclined to view other animals as more different from humans, their being provided by God for our exploitation, rather than being seen as our Earthly brothers. Not most conservatives, you understand; just more likely, compared to liberals who, as another example, I would guess are probably more likely than conservatives, to be vegetarian, or to abstain from eating veal (or turkey, in my case) for ethical reasons. That is, PETA, and animal rights activism, tends to be more Leftist than Rightist activity. Therefore, your trying to trivialize this monstrously evil group, for a cheap joke about the Left, was not a well thought out gamble.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to open the link for mental health reasons, and I'm glad these people were caught. Stuff like this makes me wonder a bit about how I consider how animals are treated in my own life. I love bacon, but pigs seem to be as intelligent or more intelligent than dogs, so I definitely think a lot more now about if I'm okay with eating them and I definitely care about how they are treated on farms even if I continue to eat them. Might as well treat them humanely. With beef, cows would probably not exist today if they weren't kept for food, so let's just treat them humanely as well, but if vegetarians had their way, they would probably go extinct. And this is just talking about animals used for food. Sounds like this was mostly just torture for torture's sake.
in reality, groups that see more government control over private property as a means to their ends, often end up being infected by those who see governmental control over private property as the ultimate goal. that is why animal "rights", environmentalists, global warming alarmists, and gun controllers are invariably leftwing groups.
While that might be true in the US, it is far less so internationally. In Australia for instance our conservative party is the one really pushing gun control. While they aren't too keen on radical environmental change they are perfectly happy to trod along in that direction, especially as far as the bureaucracy is concerned. We have a saying: "The Liberals are just Labor doing the speed limit"
I don't much like monkeys. ...but torture indicates an unhealthy mentality. ...to put it overmildly. I'm happy to stay away from them and ignore them. People that torture animals for enjoyment of torture ...are lower than animals. And probably just one opportunity away from torturing a human for enjoyment.
Your over-politicized reply-- in reality-- is utterly unsupported bullshit, and off topic, beside. I had been responding to Darth, who'd made a tasteless joke (now deleted), attempting to associate these monkey torturers, and those deviants who enjoy watching this cruelty, with progressives. In my reply, I'd pointed out that liberals are more likely than conservatives, to be interested in animal rights, manifest in groups like PETA being more politically Leftist, than Rightist leaning, organizations. For both economic as well as religious reasons, there is a greater likelihood of a Republican, than a Democrat, finding exploitative treatment of animals acceptable. Your reply to that, is that animal rights people care less about animals than they do about "government control over private property?" Is that a joke? That is blatant bullshit, which you don't even bother to try to justify. So I will repeat-- no, your words are completely uncorroborated nonsense. That is, they represent some grand theory, which requires ample documentary evidence, but for which you provide none. Therefore, the fact that more of those involved in animal rights are liberals, as opposed to conservatives, there is no reason to not see in terms of Occam's razor: more on the Left are involved in animal rights (and would be less likely involved in a monkey torturing ring), because liberals tend to be more empathetic to animal suffering, than conservatives; not because of some ridiculous notion about private property. Get real. We are the ones who conservatives refer to as "tree huggers," remember? While liberals are more likely to appreciate the feelings of non human species, conservatives are more likely to subscribe to biblical teachings about man being set above all the other animals, which are interpreted as being here, simply for our exploitation. P.S.-- just to point out to hasty readers, I did not say all conservatives or liberals. I was drawing generalizations, from each group, and giving both evidence of, and rationale for, these differences in viewpoint, which can be seen along politically ideological lines. But the differing perspectives have nothing to do with private property, only with our disposition, regarding nature.
The BBC continues to be a news source worth visiting. Their reputation for responsible reportage and journalism is something they prize and work hard to maintain. Regards, stay safe 'n well.
if you read what I actually wrote, I noted that those groups start with people who do care about "animal rights" "the environment" etc but get co-opted by government control freaks. And I reject your claims that "liberals" care more--what they do is pretend they care more and constantly virtue signal and claim if we don't buy into their political agenda, then we don't care.
So, first off, *you admit that your main point is off topic, and has nothing to do with my own post. As to your rejection of the claim that progressives/liberals/those on the Left, care more than conservatives/those on the Right, about animal rights, you seem to contradict yourself, in your prior sentence, admitting that "those groups start with people who do care about 'animal rights' (and) 'the environment.' " You then go on to define people devoting their time, and donating their money toward these causes, to be only pretending to care. LOL-- get a clue: by that standard, no one can be said to care about anything; we all-- including conservatives-- can be said to just be "pretending" to care. Like it or not, when people invest their time and financial resources in some cause, this is taken as proof of their "caring," about it; certainly moreso than those who do not "pretend" to care about it, by devoting any of their own time or resources, toward that goal.
Rush Limbaugh did a great parody of the left years ago. he had dozens of ribbons on the lapel of his suit jacket. One was for whales, one was for sea otters, one was for lesbians etc etc. He said he's now a liberal and he CARES MORE THAN YOU DO> btw when leftists give money it's usually to "think tanks" that advocate socialism, gun control, banning hunting etc-rather than actually helping anyone or anything
Well, you had me at "Rush Limbaugh--" you know how we on the Left, worship his brilliance, and accept every one of his thoughts, unquestioningly...? Or is it only on the Right, who are impressed by the name Rush? By the way, you still clearly have no clue what you're talking about. How do you know that donations from "leftists" go "usually to 'think tanks' that advocate socialism, gun control, banning hunting, etc.?" Would you care to share your source? As I already told you, this enveloping concept of yours, requires much more than simply your alleging it, by way of validation. Yet, you extend your assertions even further, still with zero proof. Why trickle things out, this way? If you plan to give absolutely no basis for your contentions, then just tell us all that you are God, and be done with it! Most of "leftist" donations, do not go to think tanks. Even just among those who support animal rights, or animal welfare, most contributions do not go to think tanks. The big national charity is PETA, which is not a think tank. The ASPCA is not a think tank. Many donate both money, and volunteer their time, at local animal shelters. In short, your entire post is hogwash, devoid of any factual substantiation. If you have nothing to back up your bold theories, please postulate them elsewhere.
do some research-conservative voters are more generous than leftwing ones, and not just to religious charities. and it makes sense. we on the right support private charity. Lefties outsource many things to the government, including "charity" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X21000752 following scientific data collection and coding procedures, we identify 421 effect sizes from 31 empirical studies. Our meta-analysis results suggest that political conservatives are significantly more charitable than liberals at an overall level, but the relationship between political ideology and charitable giving varies under different scenarios
The subject is not who gives more to charity. The subject is not gun rights. The subject is not private property rights. The subject, FYI, is a band of perverse individuals who torture monkeys, and who buy the videos of this sick practice. A member of this forum, from the Right, tried to tie this behavior to the Left, using some term like, primate-attracted individuals. So I pointed out that, if we were to make this story about political dispositions, it would be more reasonable to tie this to attitudes of the Right, than to those of the Left. That is all. So that is what you are supposedly arguing against; but none of your arguments, including your link, here, about overall charitable contributions, is a logical answer to my position. All your speculations, then, are off topic, big time. May I suggest you start a thread, in which your comments might apply?
I like the idea of "farming" meat by growing it without the whole animal, something that is being developed. That and plant-based alternatives.
I'd be interested in that, and I'm also fine with using more insect-based protein sources. My wife and I snacked quite a bit on chapulines when we vacations in Mexico City.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind trying something made from bugs. It sounds unappetizing at first, but as with sausage, the end product could be great and the consumer happy never seeing the process Plus, insects are basically terrestrial crustacea, and we love to eat their aquatic and marine relatives.
