This is just your conception of God which is fine but you must be talking about a God other than the God of Abraham. This God of the Bible who created humans did many bad things including ordering the murder of many women and innocent children. This God who created humans knew that they would turn to evil .. so by your definition "evil" is perfect.
If God created the bible, he also created the Koran and all other religions. God didn't say, "I created ALL things....except those that the Christians don't like."
Making inquiry after the presumption does not alleviate the presumption that was made. At the instant of the presumption, the act of presuming was pure guesswork and nothing more. A lack of knowledge on the part of the making the presumption and a showing of faith or confidence in the presumption. The mere fact of the existence of your question above, also shows a lack of knowledge regarding the subject matter by you. It seems that most of what you suggest in some of your postings is based on presumption rather than knowledge, especially when dealing with what others believe or what others might know. Once again, I was not the one who introduced the subject matter of the Bible being an authoritative document, so that notion of it being an authoritative document came from the mind of someone else. As to what I believe, that is a private matter that only God and me knows the answer.
Neither. It is a fact. What really makes it impressive is the fact that you did not attempt to refute it... you only did what was expected... launch a little attack consisting of innuendos.... nothing factual coming from you with that one.
It was a simple question .. no need to go off the rails into ad hom. The poster was basing his statment on folks that assume the Bible is authoritative. On many occasions you have stated that you have "specific knowledge" in relation to what you claimed were facts in the Bible. Your evidence was based on your conversations with God. There are many lunatics that claim to the Bible is authoratitative on the basis of "conversations with God". At the end of the day .. the point is that there is no valid evidence that because something comes from the Bible it is authoritative.
Do you know me? Do you have access to any records pertaining to me? It is doubtful considering that you don't even know my real name, therefore, there is no ad hom ,but only fact.... you are ignorant when it comes to knowing anything about me. If the poster was basing his statement on anything that I have stated in the past, then he would have more than likely used that/those past statements to validate his claim... he did not make any such validation. So your comments are a straw man rationalization (making of excuses) to cover the behavior of one of your peers. Are you now suggesting that I am a lunatic or are you making the direct accusation?
I only commented on the basis of your previous claims. 1) These claims supported an athoritative perspective on the Bible 2) You have not countered this claim when it was put to you If you do not like being held accountable for your words .. then perhaps you should stop speaking.
But you still don't KNOW me or know anything about me... you only are aware of what has been printed on this forum. So you are gonna take the word of a stranger above looking at factual matters? I wonder if you do that to all the people that you meet on the internet? If you do, then you certainly more gullible than the average Joe. Could it be said then that you accepted my word on 'faith'? I have not countered what claim? If you don't like being held to a standard of proving what you claim, then you should not be writing things. Even though you attempt to cite a previous comment of mine, you provide no proof of that claim. If you don't like being held accountable for your words .. then perhaps you should stop speaking.
I do not mind being accountable for my words. It is you that seems to have this problem. That you are getting upset that I am attributing the words you spoke about yourself to you is quite funny to be honest
More presumptions on your part. You now claim that I am upset. My emotive state is very calm and peaceful. Your perceptions seem to be what is questionable. You have made claims about things that I have stated in the past, I have challenged you for not showing those statements. You still have not come forward with them. Do you have a problem showing the proof of your claims? Seemingly so. Prove your claims.
And yet there is another one of the atheists or other non-theists who, finding that he cannot refute what I have said, simply sinks into the mire of attacking the messenger rather than the message.
What was there to refute? My post was specifically an attack on the message. Though the messenger is doing a good job of convincing me its not an isolated incident. Why would you assume I'm an athiest or non-theist? Weren't you just ranting about people making assumptions? "You and others should never assume something about other people, especially those that you have never had the opportunity of acquaintance. Doing so, is a significant indicator of your arrogance, and serves as an evidence that you are likely to take something for granted or accepted as true without proof." http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/272395-god-intends-rape-12.html#post1061886889 You don't practice what you preach, do you?
Do you not remember your own words ? Simple question .. do you believe the Bible is Authoritative or not ? Perhaps you have changed your opinion since our previous discussion. Now is your chance to set the record straight !
I am not the one making the claim... you are... do you not remember when or where it is alleged that I have said something that you desire me to remember? What difference does it make what I believe. You should only be concerned with what you believe. When my opinion changes, I make the necessary people aware of said change of opinion. Now is the chance for you to set the record straight by proving your claims.
I am not the one making the claim... you are... do you not remember when or where it is alleged that I have said something that you desire me to remember? What difference does it make what I believe. You should only be concerned with what you believe. When my opinion changes, I make the necessary people aware of said change of opinion. Now is the chance for you to set the record straight by proving your claims.
"Making inquiry after the presumption does not alleviate the presumption that was made. At the instant of the presumption, the act of presuming was pure guesswork and nothing more. A lack of knowledge on the part of the making the presumption and a showing of faith or confidence in the presumption. The mere fact of the existence of your question above, also shows a lack of knowledge regarding the subject matter by you. It seems that most of what you suggest in some of your postings is based on presumption rather than knowledge, especially when dealing with what others believe or what others might know. Once again, I was not the one who introduced the subject matter of the Bible being an authoritative document, so that notion of it being an authoritative document came from the mind of someone else. As to what I believe, that is a private matter that only God and me knows the answer." "Most convoluted answer to a simple question of the year award nominee." Then perhaps you are saying that the nominee is the one who submitted the "simple question of the year"? Well, you have certainly not promoted Christianity or the presence of God or even any of the scripture. Are you now suggesting that you are a Christian or a Theist who worships God? You have not shown where I have not practiced what I preach, unless you are now claiming to be a Theist who worships God or that you are a Christian.
So what was there to refute? No, I'm saying your post is a nominee. Making inquiry after the presumption does not alleviate the presumption that was made. At the instant of the presumption, the act of presuming was pure guesswork and nothing more. A lack of knowledge on the part of the making the presumption and a showing of faith or confidence in the presumption. The mere fact of the existence of your question above, also shows a lack of knowledge regarding the subject matter by you. It seems that most of what you suggest in some of your postings is based on presumption rather than knowledge, especially when dealing with what others believe or what others might know. Once again, I was not the one who introduced the subject matter of the Bible being an authoritative document, so that notion of it being an authoritative document came from the mind of someone else. As to what I believe, that is a private matter that only God and me knows the answer. I have shown it. You criticize other for making assumptions and you do it all the time, at least three times I've identified in this thread.
So what was there to refute? No, I'm saying your post is a nominee. Making inquiry after the presumption does not alleviate the presumption that was made. At the instant of the presumption, the act of presuming was pure guesswork and nothing more. A lack of knowledge on the part of the making the presumption and a showing of faith or confidence in the presumption. The mere fact of the existence of your question above, also shows a lack of knowledge regarding the subject matter by you. It seems that most of what you suggest in some of your postings is based on presumption rather than knowledge, especially when dealing with what others believe or what others might know. Once again, I was not the one who introduced the subject matter of the Bible being an authoritative document, so that notion of it being an authoritative document came from the mind of someone else. As to what I believe, that is a private matter that only God and me knows the answer. I have shown it. You criticize other for making assumptions and you do it all the time, at least three times I've identified in this thread.
There is no need to go back through forum post done many months ago when all that is required is a simple answer on your part. Do you think the Bible is Authoritative or not ?
Oh I think it is very important. In fact I am now demanding that you show the post where I have previously stated "months ago" that "the Bible is an authoritative document." You made the claim, now own up to providing the proof of claim. If you know the answer, then why continue to repeat the question instead of looking it up from that alleged 'previous conversation'?
