Gods wants us to believe in him...but where's the beef?

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  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    God created us and gave us free will, right? We're basically supposed to choose between him, Satan, or nothing. I have just as much proof of Satan as I do God, so that pretty much leaves me with nothing all around, and the true nothing actually makes more sense anyway.

    But my question is, God wants us to worship him, but for someone like me, born thousands of years after biblical miracles, what has God done lately that gives me a reason to have faith? Back then they had pretty obvious miracles(if you believe the telling in the bible). If I saw the red sea part, I'd be sold. Seeing the first born son of a crapton of families die on the same night, then yeah I'm a believer. But none of that stuff happens anymore. Now, faith is more learned and traditional than it is based on something actual.

    I mean, I know events occur in people's lives where they attribute their good fortune in some way to God. God saved them, an angel saved them, that kind of stuff, but those things are still up in the air for pretty much anyone who wasn't the person experiencing it. That is absolutely trivial next to the biblical miracles, because you have to take it completely on faith. There is no "Holy crap, God definitely did that" moment like there would be with a global flood or fire and brimstone raining from the sky(that wasn't a cosmic occurrence like a comet or asteroid that was going to happen regardless). What are we, thousands of years after Christ, supposed to put in our pipes?

    Why should I believe? People always say you have to open your heart to Christ. What does that even mean? Why should I believe in something that I don't believe in when the very reason I don't believe in it is because I've seen no reason whatsoever to do so? What I'm getting at, is that it seems we got the short end of the stick when it comes to having faith because it's basically just a word-of-mouth suggestion at this point in human history. An "oh I believe in God because my parents and grandparents do and I grew up with it" situation. Plus, I think that if God was really interested in people having faith in him, he'd pop in from time to time in a non-ambiguous way like he used to.

    But then I think about this. People who saw without a doubt that God existed didn't need to have faith anymore. Those people knew, they had seen. Not us. They get proof, and we don't. We HAVE to have faith because that's all that's left.

    It's why the whole shebang strikes me as entirely too convenient.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Its called free will!

    *wipes tobacco off lip
     
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    I have to laugh at people who claim god to be just, when so many people basically got a free pass to heaven when God made his existence so abundantly clear to them and not to us.

    Personally, if it's a choice between God or Satan, I'd choose Satan anyway. God wanted us to be slaves, living in ignorance, and Satan showed us how to gain knowledge. According to the bible Satan has killed, what, a dozen people tops? He didn't flood the world killing countless innocent people - Satan opposes the butcher who caused that horror. Satan accepts people unconditionally while God insists that we bend the knee to him. Hey Satan, you rock!
     
  4. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

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    The name of Satan in Latin is Lucifer ( the bringer of light) , in Greek it is Eosforos ( the bringer of light )
    Are you familiar with Prometheus ? (notice the etymology part )
     
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    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    Yeah I am... but, I was kinda just being facetious there.
     
  6. rstones199

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    Maybe 'satan' is 'god' and vice versa? I know both are just imaginary creatures, but with all the killing 'god' does, he is one evil S.O.B.
     

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