Government ''manslaughter''

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  1. Equality

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    The government is guilty of manslaughter on the grounds of neglect of people . For every person who dies from neglect you are failing your duty of care !

    GUILTY !
     
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    My only qualm with your thought is we are guilty, not government, since we decide what the government does and doesn't do. Or at least we could if we got off our lazy butts..........got informed...........stopped watching Dancing with the Stars.........and got involved.
     
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    I completely agree. We the people are the employers - without supervision, employees might just rob us blind and neglect their duties. It is on all of us to hold government's feet to the fire.
     
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    The government is guilty of depriving the people, ALL the people, of the prosperity of free market innovations by sucking the life out of the non government-dependent private sector towards its own growth, power and enrichment and the unjust enrichment of vast seas of gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex thieves.
     
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    What does duty of care mean?
     
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    When a government is elected they have a duty of care for the people . What this means is if anyway people are suffering by lack of action or actions of the government , then the government is failing in their duty of care !
    The governments job is to make sure all the citizens are cared for , anything less is neglect . For every homeless person who dies etc, this is a failure and neglect of duty . Your government is responsible for the deaths of homeless by neglect of the situation . Your government is also responsible for poverty , by neglect of the needy . Your billions in reserves could easily sort out the problem if there wasn't such neglect .
     
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    Our governments duties are outlined in the Constitution. I am not sure if all that is mentioned in its powers and responsibilities.
     
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    As opposed to Socialist and Communist governments that kill people outright. They are guilty of first degree murder.
     
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    That's right, there is no "duty of care," and thank goodness for that, a complete fabrication by the OP.
     
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    S person holds no responsibility for his own life at all. A man walks out in the road in front of a bus and gets killed. Government responsibility. They should have stopped that bus and that man. A kidnapper abducts a child and kills him. Government responsibility. They should have stopped the kidnapper and protected that child.

    Really?
     
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    That's what I call a moo moo argument , the noise a cow makes ! In other words ,that is completely different , totally irrelevant to the point !
     
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    Of course but that doesn't give the American government the right to come second best and kill people off by neglect ! America are suppose to be the good guys .
     
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    So you are saying the elected government does not have to care about the public ? It must be mandatory or else that would sway towards dictatorship and mean unknowingly mass slavery .
     
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    The OP was making the government responsible for everything, with the people not responsible for anything. That is my point.
     
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    The duties of the Federal government are very clear. Everything outside of that should be taken up by the states. Truly the only things the federal government should do is protect us from outside forces,protect our guaranteed liberties as stated in the bill of rights, and stay out of the peoples business so they can live their lives in peace. Dictatorships and slavery comes FROM governments interference not from the lack of it.
     
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    No it didn't , the notion did not hold the government responsible for everything , the notion pointed out a neglect of responsibility that leads to some peoples deaths . There should not be any homeless people under a responsible government that doesn't neglect the duty of care for the public .
     
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    The governments job suppose to be, to make the public happy in life ,economic stable , warm and fed . The armed forces protect the country from invaders etc.
     
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    Not at all, that is the job of your parents and then your self once you become an adult. I workso I can feed, cloth, and house my family. My happiness in life is up to me to find. No government can just make me happy. and if I have to rely on the government for my families economic well being, our food, and our home then that WOULD be slavery. Because that means I am beholden to the government for the survival of myself and my family and they can take it away.
     
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    Where does that neglect of responsibility start and where does it stop?
     
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    You sound like you are not in position to judge poverty or the homeless . Do you think it is right that people are dying on your streets because the government does not do enough to resolve the situation ?
     
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    It starts when there is people in poverty or homeless and they don't get any help , it starts when your doctors won't treat somebody because they have no health cover . It ends when the government stops spending millions/billions on projects that could be simply shared out to people to give them better lives .
    I bet America has billions in reserves , it would cost only a fraction of that to sort the homeless out and end poverty for lots of people .
     
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    I come from a very poor family. My single mother worked like a dog to keep us kids fed. I have had to work two jobs for the first ten years of my marriage to keep the bills paid. But I have slowly overcome those hardships and am finally starting to even things out. But never did I want for food because my mother did what she needed and never have my kids gone hungry. Why is that? Well it was not the government it was me being willing to do any job that I could find. Yet I dont see that as a bad thing. Those are the trials most adults go through in this life. Nothing is handed to us but we are also not beholden to anyone either.

    Homelessness and poverty are both situations that need to be addressed wherever they are found. But not by the federal government. Those issues need to be addressed by the local communities, families, Churches, and philanthropic organisations. At the highest the states could get involved but really the city government is the ideal governmental organisations to address those issues.
     
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    Aren't your city governmental organizations accountable and under the orders of federal government ?
     
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    If we have billions in reserve, it should be used to reduce our national debt. There are people out there who are capable of working, but refuse to work. Why should my hard earned money be used to help them?
     
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    They are separate, if they report to anyone that would be the state governments but even then there is a lot of autonomy. When the federal government does get involved on the local level invariably they mess everything up and the people suffer. War on drugs would be great example.
     

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