Gravitational waves discovered on 100th anniversary of Einstiens theory of relitivity

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    You know there are a lot of things in Star Trek that became reality.

    Motorola supposedly designed it's flip phone after a Star Trek communicator.

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    There have been calls for new sci-fi shows depicting advanced science. I don't remember where just that it is felt that there's a lack of pushing the envelope in current shows.

    Not that I've seen much sci-fi since the 1990s.
     
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    Technology is advancing so fast that in many cases reality is out stripping Sci-Fi.

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    I'm thinking remote power outlets, attached to nothing, powered by a solar array orbiting the Sun.

    And the reason we're using wireless solar power is that it's ambiguously hinted at that the reason we're not using Fusion power yet and mining the moon is because some other people lay claim to the moon.

    I can't think of a plot line. I wasn't much on building up melodrama.
     
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    Wireless Power Transmission. :omfg:
    It may be safe in that it will not kill you if you stand in a "beam" or "field". You may not even feel it.
    ( )0( ) what of long term biological effects? Or how will it effect Moi long term.


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    Not wireless energy, quantum entanglement energy. A transfer of power to electrons in the outlet. A spooky connection. A connection between the electrical outlet and the solar collector.
     
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    As if I understood what you mean :lol: :hmm:
     
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    Scientists do not really know whether that's possible at this point.
    There is some reason to think that it would be more difficult to transfer energy than information.

    For those of you who are clueless about how this would work, basically the device on one side would be pulling energy out of the quantum vacuum. The entanglement might have to be very strong for this to happen. They do not really know.
     
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    By Sebastian Anthony on October 9, 2014 at 10:53 am


    Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat — the device that purports to use cold fusion to generate massive amounts of cheap, green energy — has been verified by third-party researchers, according to a new 54-page report. The researchers observed a small E-Cat over 32 days, where it produced net energy of 1.5 megawatt-hours, or “far more than can be obtained from any known chemical sources in the small reactor volume.” The researchers were also allowed to analyze the fuel before and after the 32-day run, noting that the isotopes in the spent fuel could only have been obtained by “nuclear reactions” — a conclusion that boggles the researchers: “… It is of course very hard to comprehend how these fusion processes can take place in the fuel compound at low energies.”

    This new report [PDF] on the E-Cat was carried out by six (reputable) researchers from Italy and Sweden. While the new E-Cat looks very different from previous iterations, the researchers say that it uses the same “hydrogen-loaded nickel” and additives (most notably lithium) as a fuel. The device’s inventor, Andrea Rossi, claims that the E-Cat uses cold fusion — low-energy nuclear reactions, LENR — to fuse nickel and hydrogen atoms into copper, releasing oodles of energy. The researchers, analyzing the fuel before and after the 32-day burn, note that there is an isotope shift from a “natural” mix of Nickel-58/Nickel-60 to almost entirely Nickel-62 — a reaction that, the researchers say, cannot occur without nuclear reactions (i.e. fusion). The researchers say there is just 1 gram of fuel inside the E-Cat. For more info about the science/chemistry behind LENR, read our previous story about Rossi’s E-Cat.

    The researchers are very careful about not actually saying that cold fusion/LENR is the source of the E-Cat’s energy, instead merely saying that an “unknown reaction” is at work. In serious scientific circles, LENR is still a bit of a joke/taboo topic. The paper is actually somewhat comical in this regard: The researchers really try to work out how the E-Cat produces so much darn energy — and they conclude that fusion is the only answer — but then they reel it all back in by adding: “The reaction speculation above should only be considered as an example of reasoning and not a serious conjecture.”

    Anyway, now that we’ve got the necessary cynicism/scrutiny out of the way, let’s get down to what everyone’s really interested in: The utterly insane amounts of energy produced by the E-Cat. In the table below you can see some figures from the 32-day test. The most important figures are on the right hand side: a COP (coefficient of performance) of up to 3.74, and net power production of 2,373 watts. Remember that this is a small device that produced these kinds of figures for 32 days straight. Total energy obtained over 32 days was 1.5 MWh.

    To put this into perspective, the E-Cat tested by the researchers has an energy density of 1.6×109 Wh/kg and power density of 2.1×106 W/kg. This is orders (plural) of magnitude higher than anything else ever tested — somewhere in the region of 100 times more power than the best supercapacitors, and maybe a million times more energy than gasoline. In the words of the researchers, “These values place the E-Cat beyond any other known conventional source of energy.”

    Read: NASA’s cold fusion tech could put a nuclear reactor in every home, car, and plane

    Obviously, if these third-party findings are to be believed — if the E-Cat really is performing cold fusion — then this is rather exciting. We are talking about an extremely cheap, green, and dense power source that could quite literally change the world.

    Before the world can be changed, however, there will now be a very extensive period of scrutiny from the scientific community at large. The previous third-party analysis of the E-Cat device, published in March 2013, was attacked and debunked very rapidly. It seems this new report has been intentionally designed so that there are fewer plot holes and logical leaps. The research paper has reportedly been submitted to the Arxiv pre-print server, with the hope of eventually being published in the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

    The next few weeks could be very interesting indeed. According to one report at Sifferkoll, a big bank downloaded the new E-Cat report just minutes after it was made available online — and “oil futures have stayed volatile since.” And of course this morning Glasgow University announced that it would be selling its fossil fuel investments. Hmm…

    Now read: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up

    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
     
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    In order to harvest solar power from orbit and get it to the Earth we would have to transmit the electrical energy harvested into microwaves and then beam them to Earth.

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    Has power been transferred via microwave?
    Shall we weaponize the beam?
    I mean what happens to the person who gets zapped?
     
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    It's a simple matter to convert electricity into microwaves.

    As we can't run a cable into orbit.....although some are actually working on what would be either a space elevator or a mono-filament line which could go from the Earth to a satellite in geosynchronous orbit....we are simply not at that technological level yet.

    Thus we would have to harvest solar energy and convert it to microwaves and then beam it to a very remote and safe location for collection.

    This is problematic in the extreme but it is possible.

    By the way.....the U.S. Military already has two different forms of Microwave Energy Weapons one being non-lethal and the other very lethal.

    The non-lethal one is called the Active Denial System.

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    We also have to use powerful laser as the microwave will loose almost all its energy in the atmosphere. Use powerful lasers to ionize the atmosphere to make it conductive. Then you can just sent the current down to the distributors on earth via that laser.

    - - - Updated - - -

    We cam convert electricity into microwave, but I don't think we can convert microwaves into electricity.
     
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    One of the major radiation that the sun emits are gamma rays. Gamma rays are 10,000 time more powerful than viable light. Scientist have successfully made the first gamma ray lense. It would take many years before they get it right. But once they do, we can use spent nuclear fuel to power gamma ray laser.

    We are already working on converting gamma rays into electricity.

    So picture this. A bunch of satellites are near the sun. They have lenses and focus those gamma rays into a beam. They direct it to a central power station. That powers station will have a giant lense. It will direct multiple gamma ray beams that it recievws into a Single beam which will beam down to a distributor on earth.
     
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    Imagine one of those Gamma Satellites obtaining a "wobble", :omfg:
    maybe from a strike from another object in space,
    and what that beam could do to Moi! et toi aussi


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    You can easily put in a failsafe measure. If the exact alignment is broken, the laser can be instantly refocused into the void of space. We can do this by having two sets of lenses. If the alignment is broken, the lenses will instantly swap. The new lense will direct the beam into the void of space or some other sourse. Maybe a fueling station that converts gamma rays into electricity and acts like a giant battery that will refuel ships coming in.
     
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    And pray that it works when called upon. :hmm:
     
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    Sure we can.

    Microwaves which as just Radio Waves are in the Electromagnetic Spectrum along with Electron Conduction.

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    Yep. Youre right.
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/04/28/why-does-gravity-move-at-the-speed-of-light/#5393e4d7b6a9

    Now the Ivory Tower dwellers want me to believe that
    Gravitational Waves travel at the speed of light.

    It takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds for a photon from Sol arrive at Earth.
    aka Terra

    The Earth orbits the Sun because of "gravity".
    If the Sun were to disappear, vanish -
    would it take 8 minutes and 20 seconds for Earth to fly out of orbit,
    or would Earth depart its' orbit more instantly per Isaac Newton?
    :omfg: Earth flying off into space
    :roll: and no 8 minutes and 20 second to prepare :hmm:


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    Well the Space-Time between the now vanished sun and the Earth would realign itself specific to the now lacking mass of the sun.

    The sun having a great deal of mass generates a great warpature in Space-Time to such a degree we can actually see stars that are physically and geometrically positioned BEHIND the sun so even though we should not be able to see them because the suns mass has so greatly warped the space-time around it the light coming from such stars that we should not be able to see travel along the curvature of the space-time warped by the sun and around the sun so we can see those stars.

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    Yes
    But, instantly or 8 minutes and 20 seconds after the Sun's mass vanishes?

    From Earth observation of course.

    Ref.: the link above.


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    It would take the 8 minutes plus.

    We know this because throughout or Galaxy and Universe there are massive celestial cataclysmic events happening all the time like Supernovas and Galactic Collisions which completely realign celestial mechanics and space-time.

    If the change was instantaneous then such events happening millions if now billions of light years away from us would be instantly felt.

    They are not felt or detected thus we know space-time realigns itself at the speed of light which is 186,282 miles per second.

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    It will probably slingshot out of the orbit.


    Remember that centrifugal force is pulling the earth away. But the suns gravity is pulling it inward. That's how we have the orbit.

    If the sun were to suddenly disappear then the centrifugal force will slingshot the earth out of the solar system.


    Because an object in motion will remain in motion at the same speed and direction unless acted in by an outside force.


    The sun curves the earth's path around itself. If the sun were to disappear then the path will straighten. Hopefully that helps visually



    If the Sun disappeared completely what would happen to the Earth and the rest of our solar system?
    Specifically, if the Sun were just gone - not exploded or pulled away - just no longer there.
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    Well the moon would continue to orbit the Earth, and same for all the moons of the other planets. The planets all have different velocities around the sun, so if the disappearance was instant, they would all set off at different velocities in what ever direction they were traveling when the sun disappeared
     
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    Absolutely.

    No sun means no more solar orbit for Earth.

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