Gun control vs Entrpreneurialism

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by modernpaladin, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. Tim15856

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    Gun control often has unintended consequences that the left never worry about. All they want to do is show they are doing 'something', no matter how ineffective. Just a couple examples for those of us old enough. Back in the 70's the "Saturday night special" was the favorite boogeyman. A cheap, unreliable handgun of typically .22 cal, those things jammed quite often and were no match for police arms. Once banned, the criminals turned to higher quality, higher cal revolvers and pistols. Criminals were now on equal footing with the police. Then the AWB went into affect along with the restriction on magazine size. Only allowed (was it 10) rounds, the police found criminals were getting high powered .357 & .44 magnum or .44 or .45 pistols. They were now concerned about being outgunned. No matter what they think they will accomplish, the results won't be what they expect.
     
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    Can you refer to one piece of research that finds gun control increases deaths or crime rates?
     
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    More arrogance. To be expected.
     
  4. Reiver

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    Chortle, chortle, you're the one that brought up AGW denial. I'm asking you a simple question and nothing more: do your views on gun control follow the same research criteria as your AGW denial? Yay or nay?
     
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  5. Reiver

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    How's that been working for you? Perhaps evidence of how efforts to restrict further gun control has reduced the incidence of massacre events? Chop, chop!
     
  6. Tim15856

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    Just look at the mass murder committed in gun free zones for your answer.
     
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    Anecdotes are not a substitute for actual research.
     
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    Evidently your lack of critical thinking and curiosity does.
     
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    Tut tut, still can't answer a simple question. Which are you more worried about? Your AGW denial or your gun control knowledge?
     
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    That's why they use bombs, artillery and crew served weapons to kill the enemy before they ever get into small arms range. The military is actually limited in how lethal a rifle can be due to the Hague Convention.
     
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    It's going badly; Liberals still insist that silly signs stop violent criminals. Seeing as you appear to be a Liberal, tell me, of the tens of thousands of laws in this country regarding the purchase, ownership, and use of firearms, which one did we miss that would solve everything? I have asked that question many times and all I get is some smarmy answer or a total disconnect from reality. Which one will be yours?
     
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    How's the prison population per 1000 going?

    Nope!

    I asked you to refer to how restricting further gun control has reduced the incidence of massacre events. Why haven't you achieved that? Surely its an easy proposition? Try referring to countries which have seen significant increases in gun control and see how their massacre rates have changed?
     
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    As in the African Nations ?

    Yet in spite of very strict gun laws and restrictions, murders, mass murders and even genocide prevail in those countries as well as all types of crimes.
     
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    And what has been done to increase the lethality of the M16? Or the M4A1 carbine? Of any firearm currently in circulation?
     
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    You want to compare the US with developing countries playing Russian roulette (with a 1 in 6 chance of civil war)? Gosh
     
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    Going from the 20" barrel of the M16 to the 14.5" barrel of the M4 reduced the lethality of the rifle, as the M193 and M855 round depend upon a certain velocity for optimum terminal ballistics, with the longer barrel giving a higher MV and longer distance above the fragmenting velocity.
     
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    Actually, not so, the objective is to wound Enemy soldiers so their mates must needs tend and labour over them and call medics and waste valuable time and resources over feild treatment and transportation of wounded casualties to Medical facilities.

    Killing does not have this effect.

    A view from our side, treating the wounded.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048317
     
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    It would be an accurate comparison to make, seeing as the united states is not a developed nation.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    The above only applies if enemy combatants actually believe human life holds any value. Otherwise they will simply leave their wounded where they fall, steal their gear, and continue fighting as if nothing happened.
     
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    Wow, you learn something new everyday on here!
     
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    It is the truth.
     
  22. DoctorWho

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    Well yes, there is that.

    Or they leave their wounded, for us to care for.

    Our play book only works if the other side has our book and plays by our rules.
     
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    If you want to make ridiculous claims, go for it!
     
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    Giggle, well you do have a license to ridicule and boar / bore people, So I suppose it is ok.
    Crashing boar ?
    The Opera, Tusk-a-ninny ?
     
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    Typical smarmy arrogance. Tut Tut.
     

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