Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

I've had various Dr.s offer to sign the form required for a handicapped license plate because of various chronic orthopedic conditions that include Charcot Joint Syndrome in my right foot, worn out hip replacements etc but because I can walk, I do (albeit with a slight limp). Maybe it's fear of bad Karma or something.
I've frequently seen people with handicapped license plates who can walk at least as well or better than I can but, still, there are those who are genuinely disabled who need the spot more than I.
Meanwhile, you're right, you never know who you're confronting so why risk an unnecessary hostile flare-up

 

I have carried a gun on my person everyday for decades both concealed and openly but have never had to use it in civilian life as yet. I have known many people who do carry one and the vast majority of them carry with respect to it's power. I have also known some people who are belligerent and hateful who do not carry guns but many of them carry muscles and youth. As a general rule the vast majority of people who carry guns do not allow the gun to determine their actions. This guy might be a trouble maker we just don't know for sure, everything we have seen on this forum has been anecdotal and not based in provable fact aside from this one video and based on the evidence the police were presented with I agree with them that the shoot was justified in this incident.

 

I agree but there's also the maxim: "Chose your battles carefully."
I also agree that it is incumbent upon able bodied individuals to intervene in cases of child abuse, bullying, auto accidents, fires, etc. but confronting illegal parkers is best left to the police or property owner.

 

You guys amaze me. You think it is ok to push someone to the ground in a very violent manner, but oh *******nn, don't fight back.
So what about what he was chewing the bitsch out for, just be a meek little mouse and say nothing to nobody? He thought it was important to embarrass the woman for such a pissy thing as getting into a handicapped parking space. So the Thug of a boyfriend launches an unprovoked violent attack. He had a RIGHT to do that? He got shot for being a violent thug!!!! YOu seem to think it is OK to be a violent thug, but not defend yourself when attacked. The man yelling at the women was not a violent threat, but it is just fine to attack someone without provocation?? Good lord, I think there is a lot of the excuse generation here.
Don't attack someone else unprovoked and you probably will not get shot. DUH! 68 years of experience here, playing music knife and gun clubs, see a couple of shooting, half a dozen knife fights. Don't get into a brawl if you start the violence, and don't cry for someone who starts something physical and violent, and come out on the losing end. DUH!

 

They don't understand you carry a gun because you can no longer have the physical ability to defend yourself. And the last thing you want is a violent and physical confrontation, however, you are ready for it if it ever happens. I too carry concealed for 40 years, and I have never had to draw on anyone. I must not be looking hard enough for a reason!!! Don't start a physical unprovoked brawl, and guess what, your likelihood of getting shot will be near zero.

 

Talk about violent backgrounds, I will bet this violent thug has a record of arrests for violent assaults on people. Bet he was a child abuser too.

 

^^^^ ha ha, tough guy

 

I think it has been unanimous itt that the shove was uncalled for.

He was verbally assaulting the woman about something that he had no authority over.

I wouldn't call it "unprovoked". The boyfriend came out of the store after someone told him that a man was screaming obscenities at his girlfriend. How would you react in that scenario?

And the shooter got pushed for violently yelling at his girlfriend. Do you want to pretend that what he did to provoke the shove is normal, acceptable behavior?

I don't think it's OK to verbally assault people in parking lots because you don't like where they parked.

How do you know that? He was armed, and ready for physical violence.

Don't shout obscenities at random strangers and you won't get shoved to the ground.

 

There are a lot of people walking around with a Superman complex:

 

Since there is no audio on the video, and no witnesses to testify to exactly what was said, it cannot legally be considered verbal assault.

 

The girlfriend said he was dropping F-Bombs as he screamed at her.

Try again.

 

Does this mean we can violently push whoopi goldberg to concrete?

 

You feel it is wrong to challenge testimony?

 

If that is your nature, my opinion one way or another, won't change anything.

 

Challenge it all you want. The man wouldn't have been shoved to the ground if he would have simply minded his own business. He is the one solely responsible for instigating the events that led to one man being shot to death. Stand Your Ground, my ass.

 

You don't know that.

 

No, it wasn't right for McGlockton to push that guy to the ground. He should be charged with an appropriate crime. I felt that the victim was justified in drawing his firearm and warning the guy to "stay back" or "back off" or warn him that "if you step towards me I'll shoot". I think all of that would be justified.

 

I watched it.

 

Shoving an old person down can cause serious bodily injury. Or, it might not. If the the guy had advanced on him at that point, I would have no problem with him shooting. But the guy was just standing there at that point. Apparently, in this case, the prosecutor chose not to prosecute. So be it. That will not be the outcome everywhere, and I would advise against summarily executing someone who simply pushes you to the ground and doesn't attempt to carry out a further attack.

 

No, if you watch the video he did advance after shoving him down, stopped when he saw the gun leave it's holster, and started backing up after the decision to fire had already been made.

Watch 0:39 to 0:42 frame by frame.

 

I get that the coward felt he was under an extreme threat. My question is this: Would you have felt your life was in danger at the point that he pulled the trigger?

I would not have liked being shoved to the ground by an, obviously, superiorly fit male. That must have made him feel like a weak, feckless, man. Especially after he was doing such a good job screaming obscenities at a woman in a car.

 

Your first sentence is your answer to your second sentence.

Secondly you have no idea what was said, as there is no audio.

His body language, his distance from the car, and the woman getting out of the car indicate she lied about that, just like she lied about several other obvious things. There being nowhere else to park, for example.

 

NO, the woman parking in the handicapped space started the whole thing. So I yell at someone for something I don't like because it was illegal and the woman was a slob, I should NEVER say anything? And then if I do, I am violently attacked. That was not just a push, it was an open handed double punch, and the guy was push to the concrete, not some grassy mat. HE is NOT responsible for the violence committed against him, that was the choice of the Thug to punch him!
So many of you want to blame the girl for being provocatively dressed that cause the rape. That is your EXACT position. You would blame the girl for a rape. How dare you dress like that, it is all your fault, and you caused the rape because of your dress. You girl, started it all! Nice attitude (rolling eyes).
The Thug got shot because he physically violently attacked an older, much frailer man for YELLING at someone!!!! I will bet a million dollars this thug has done this many times, probably got an arrest record for violence.

 

So if you excuse the violence of the thug, then you must support the violence of the shooter in response. And you have no proof that he was yelling obscenities, you like to make up you own scenario??? This woman lied about what happen with other things, but suddenly she is as honest as Jesus when you want her to be.
And if he was double PUNCHED with open hands to the ground, then he had every right to feel threatened by this "superiorly fit" male by your own words!! You just gave justification for the shooting. Good job!

 

Yes.