HALF OF Americans Live In Fear Of Medical Bankruptcy

Why shouldn't you be forced to help me pay for my guns?

 

Me me me me me me me me. **** em. Let them all suffer and die.

 

I know what your point is and addressed your point - My point is that "Your Point" is mute. You can be against socialized medicine all you like. This does not change the fact that YOU ARE PAYING. Unless you are a hermit who does not pay taxes. and you are likely paying a whole lot more than 50/month in taxes - half of which go to healthcare - for someone other than yourself.

How about we reduce that expenditure in half ? -- Good Plan !?

 

[OTE="joesnagg, post: 1072025827, member: 88399"]Unfortunately when it comes to medical care, it's best to be a wee bit above the official poverty level and below or uber wealthy, the middle is screwed. For the poor there's Medicaid, and many hospitals, particularly medical schools have sliding scale fees based on income, and the wealthy can negotiate cash services up front, leaving the middle to take the shakedown.[/QUOTE]

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Working Poor pay the most
So evident with ObamaCare & MediCare

My Asthma MediCare Drug costs me less from
GoodRx.com than being Drug Plan / MediCare insured
by at least, 30%
BTW there is a
"tax" / penalty on Medicare people who do not have a drug plan.

 

I want the right to determine how much of my labor goes to others. Your equation of that to 'let them all suffer and die' is precisely the sort of disingenuineness that leads many to the conclusion that socialism is just a scam to incrimentally raise taxes to 100% and make us all slaves to the populous majority.

Would you be willing to commit to a hard, objective number regarding how much of my labor its not selfish for me to expect to keep?

 

You don't need your guns.

 

If you found a place to buy your guns for 1/2 price would you shop there? Bet you would.

 

That is the logical conclusion of your thinking. First of all. Socialism has nothing to do with tax and spend. That's Keynesian economics. Unfortunately that's where we are. Your taxes already pay for many services that benefit other people, including healthcare. Fire departments, libraries, parks, roads, bridges, clean water, schools, and so on. It's the price we pay to live in a decent society and to alleviate the hard edges of capitalism. You see healthcare as a privilege and not a right.

 

Why does it have to be mandatory? If its so much cheaper, why not let people decide to opt in to that system or not? If it really is cheaper, everyone will volunteer into it.

 

If I did, would it be OK for you to be forced to help me pay?

 

No, I see it as a product instead of a right.

Noted that you dodged the question... again.

 

Because some people a dumb enough to buy sh!t insurance and then expect us to pay for them when they get sick.

 

Is there some part of 1/2 as much you don't understand. I already saved you 50%

 

https://www.livemint.com/industry/b...3-trillion-money-printing-11592322603528.html
They forgot to distribute it to you. They could give a million to each.

 

A distinction without a difference. I didn't answer your question because we're talking about a 4% tax on income $29,000 and up. This will replace all money paid to the insurance cartel. No one will pay more than $200.000 per year on prescription drugs.

America's richest 400 families now pay a lower tax rate than the middle class - CBS News

 

The distinction is critical. Proucts require labor. You do not have the right to someone elses labor. That ended in 1865.

The only medicine you have a right to is that which you can practice yourself. The rest of it you must purchase.

 

You know MP - I was somewhat proud of how concise and clear my posts were .. but - perhaps this is not the case and your failings as a Student are in fact my failings as a teacher... full marks if you can come up with the name of the Famous movie - one you have surely watched - the words being out of the out of the mouth of Caesar ...

It is not about "why does it have to be mandatory". This is like looking at your racehorse - who is breed X - and asking "why can't it be breed Y" 10 minutes prior to the race.. and me - the trainer in this case - giving you a funny look.

Look - The race is in 10 minutes - and this is the horse that we have. We can not get a different horse for this race.... we are going to give the horse a "Boost" - a Stimulant - but must choose between two Options A - is 3.5 Trillion B - is 1.75 Trillion.

Should you ask what is the difference in performance enhancement between the two .. the answer is ZERO -

We went with A last race ... what should we do for this race ... should we try option B ?

 

We just solve that one with common sense here. imagine all sorts of lawsuits in the US with people demanding that they get first class healthcare for as long as possible

It's funny that I see people arguing with you about this ( morally)There's no way to persuade you because it's from a certain perspective a perfectly reasonable thing to say. unfortunately eventually since you live in a democracy and since the US is slowly sliding to the left, the majority of people will want this and you'll be forced to contribute to the system when it's introduced.

 

You're right, I shouldn't be asking why it has to be mandatory...

I do not consent is all that a free human must say.

 

Your authoritarianism is showing.

 

Yes .. .Exactly - I don't consent either - but, when the tax man comes - I have to pay him. In this I have no choice. Where I do have a choice - is between paying him 350 dollars - and 175.

So - welcome to fiscal conservatism

 

You know its a scam, right? The federal income tax started in the early 1900s at 1%.

 

Don't worry, they will. Hopefully, he will live a long time and they won't be able to take it from his surviving family, as the Bush-era Republican changes to health care/bankruptcy laws have enabled them to do

Eventually, since the rate of inflation for health care costs far exceeds the general rate the entire USA will be owned by the Medical Companies. The Republicans, and particularly the Trumpers, want to accelerate this

 

Not at all, I'm just saying what will happen. It was a slight dig too

I actually understand your point completely. For example I'm not forced to take out home insurance (perhaps even a larger crisis if it goes wrong). It's my responsibility. but I have to pay a Medicare levy as part of my taxes.

Sometime in the 70s we (Australians) decided as society, marginally, that we would have a universal health care system. it was dismantled and then put back together again in the 80s. I think it's inevitable that it will happen in the U.S.

 

It is - and should be called - by its rightful name - "Wealth Redistribution - the basis of Socialism". Once that beast starts growing - regardless of the political system - Capitalism, Communism - and everything in between - it just gets bigger and bigger.

As you drill down into the pyramid - its like a fractal - other pyramids - and the purpose of every individual is to rise into management - and find something to do .. make work - get more people under you - increase your importance - and grow the pyramid.

Eventually - the pyramid gets so big in some places that this is how the vote goes - the civil service voting in those who are best for the civil service - hence why the cities are largely Democrat - That's where all the Gov't workers are.