Hamas accepts Palestinian state with 1967 borders

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    everything outside the cease-fire line is NOT part of the State of Israel.
     
  2. Dutch

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    Happy Jerusalem Day :clapping:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whom is it belongs to?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apartheid my old, bony, hairy ass, my friend. Arabs living in Israel are happy, and vow to uproot and move, if area where they live falls under Palestinian control. Israel should abide by the wishes of its Arab minority and do everything in its power to make sure its Arabs do not have the reason to move out.

    Right? :)
     
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    its occupied territory, not part of any soveriegn state
     
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    Exactly right. Therefore, until negotiated disposition, Israel is stuck administering it. I say, very noble of Israel to do that.
     
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    nothing noble about violating the 4th Geneva Conventions and the 1907 Hague Regulations.
     
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    Ok, so both of you guys.

    Would you be ok with something close to 1967 borders, with Israel getting Golan Heights (up to Jordan anyways isn't it?) and some type of other land swaps to connect the two Palestinian territories. I think making them in to one land mass is a must for future goings. What would you Palestinians be willing to trade land wise, since that doesn't fall within the Palestinian 1967 borders it would be a trade.

    Perhaps letting Israel keep a few settlements with equal land mass?

    Would you Israeli's be ok with something like this? Would you Palestinians be ok with something like this?

    So far we are seeing the same old tripe of both of you guys calling each other evil again and again.

    Is there a way you could actually solve this? And reasonably considering what has happened in the past, don't want to hear anyone saying all Israel is illegal...
     
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    And than there is the thing that the Jews ethnic cleansed well over 700.000 Arabs. Israel made it the law that they may not return, and the law that those who can't return get their properties thieved. They got the right of return. It needs to be resolved. So fast parts of Israel gets returned to the rightful owners or multi billions are going to be paid. That this could push Israel close to bankruptcy is their own fault of their criminal past, and not a reason to not set things right.

    Than there is a little issue that East Jerusalem isn't part of Israel and belongs to Palestina. And they can make it their capital if they want it to be. And than there is the issue that Israel is draining water from the WB. Also, Golan isn't Israeli. So it's weird to say, it theirs for the heck of it.

    I also wouldn't know why the settlements should be part of Israel. It's a violation of the Geneva Conventions. So it can't be a "lets swap it for something else" As if what you took by committing a crime is something you use as a fair asset to trade with your victim or no deal. Those settlements cut up the WB in an awful way as well. Far easier to say, the settlements are going to be part of Palestina. And it's up for the Jews in them if they want to be part of Palestina or move back to Israel. Because... when Palestinians can be 2nd class in Israel, than Jews can be that in Palestina.

    And than there must be some agreement how to deal with Israel if they are going to invade Palestina for whatever reason,... like dragging out some individual on accusations which remain secret to lock him/her up without a trial. Also known as "administrative detention". The current situation that Israel can just do what they please, because they are a nuclear power against a 3rd world helpless people,.... that just won't do.
     
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    Uh, who cares? If the Palestinians are game this solves a lot of important problems. I don't know if they'd ever be game, but it's a good avenue to consider.
     
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    administering it... as in kicking out all the Israeli's form occupied territory non Israeli territory, in order to comply with the Geneva Conventions.
     
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    Here's a piece of today's news you may find fascinating:

    The Czech Parliament approved on Wednesday the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on Jerusalem Day celebrating the 50th anniversary of the city's unification under Israeli sovereignty. In addition, the Czech Republic decided to condemn the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) following its recent anti-Israel resolutions.

    The parliament also condemned the recent UNESCO decisions that do not recognize the rights of Jews to Jerusalem, and call on the government to stop payments to UNESCO, in light of the incitement against Israel and the politicization of the organization.

    https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...es-jerusalem-as-the-capital-of-israel.528946/

    Whoa!
     
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    Its not an accepted part of Israel and its not an accepted part of Palestine, well YOU and others may accept it as Palestine but to us its just not part of them as its not a part of ours, and the other way around - if you do claim it as Palestinians we just as well can claim it Israeli - until better men will settle it in negotiations.
     
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    No we dont, we have checkpoints not a border. borders require acceptance of both countries and your side alone doesnt accept them, ours doesnt either, so you are trolling around with some misguided sense of justice that has no cling in the real world.
     
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    No, that's BDS oozing from your ears and mouth, minorities getting less on the budget is not "Apartheid", you'll get a cookie from a fat Fatma for such remark but its just common Arab hystera and not a serious debate subject, you obviously have no clue what Aparthied is.
     
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    Your argument for Apartheid over education budget is retarded....
     
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    Nope. You don't need the acceptance of both countries. You need the acceptance of the world at the UN. And they had a vote on this.
     
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    It is. You lot treat Palestinian Israeli's differently and worse than Jewish Israeli's.
    That is exactly what apartheid is about.
     
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    You can repreat that nonsense all you want but there is no border and pre 67 lines are not recognized by the whole world and not respected, we hold the land - you're holding something else.
     
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    They get less on the budget and so no extra funds for after school hours, that's not S. African Apartheid or even American racism in the 60's, try not to passout from exitment when you reply, hyperbole :)
     
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    Which clauses are you refering to? And I really dont think you want to put the full force of the Geneva Conventions into place.
     
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    That is exactly what apartheid is about buddy.
    When you treat people differently for no other reason except ethnicity.
     
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    Nonsense?
    The entire world voiced their opinion in the UN, the UNSC and in the ICJ. You're willfully ignoring international law to never mind you're raping the geneva conventions. All them Israeli's living across the recognized borders of Israel in East Jerusalem, WB and Goaln are just no good ethnic cleansing illegal squatters.
     
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    Apartheid is a regime system that covers all laws in all aspects regarding segregation of one pop from another sharing the same space, specific cases of racism or discrimination are not "Apartheid", and in your education example it isnt about "ethnics" but on political power, the cake doesnt cut the same to all.
     
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    Nonsense...
    The UN stated the borders are to be decided, not that they were decided, but even if they will decide one day on borders that dont suite us or the Palestinians - the fued will continue, none of you can stop it.

    I'm reading posts here nearly every day for years - and I dont care for your opinions on what is Israel or what isnt, today is no diffrent.
     

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