Hamas - using civilians as cover

It does you just never saw one, its a political rally with thousands of militants shooting in the air and make it a hate festival with flag burning etc', in short each dead civilian adds 3 more to thier ranks and trun public opinion to thier favour.

 

No, I live in the Middle East and have witnessed funerals of this type. Anway, this doesn't answer my question as to why you assume those who fire the rockests would rather have the Israelis hit back at the population than at them.

 

Because if Israel shoots back and hit citizens they gain from it - thus dead citzens help their cause, you got 2 rival politics there: Hamas and PLO, Hamas gains power on Abu Mazen expense and other way around too.

 

Gilos

Since as we know you are a reasonable Israeli ive decided to explore this issue with you. Its a fasincating aspect of the debate. So ive a number of points for you to consider;

1/ I take your point that Hamas would have something to gain from the deaths of its own civilians, but I wonder why you dont apply the same to Israel? What is the difference? After all, Israel's right has lots to gain and has always since the beginning used the deaths of its own people to its advantage, therefore giving its cause to always build new neighbourhoods directly next to enemy populations. So really what is your problem here?

2/ You seem to concede already that a guerrilla force vastly outmatched has no reason to place its mortar positions in open ground as this contravenes all basic military doctrine the world over. Corrrect?

3/ You then seem to conclude that since they have no reason to put positions in open ground that instead they should negotiate towards a final settlement. Your reasoning is that since they are the weaker party, and since they have no possibility of military victory, and since they are the instigators of conflict between Israel and Gaza, that the onus is on them to cease all offensive operations. Is that correct? And have you never considered that their aim is not military victory and that they are not the instigators of conflict with Israel?

4/ Lastly, you are obviously keen to point out that Israel does not generally act like the recent Syrian army in fighting a guerrilla force. However, are you saying thus that you condemn the tactics of the Free Syrian army in fighting in urban areas?

I look forward to your response.

 

I agree with this but that is not working in the west bank. More settlements are being being built daily.

 

The Nazis were invaders. Israel is a sovereign nation. The Nazis were evil and so is Hamas..

 

As I thought would be the case, you didn't understand Snake's point about the jews in Warsaw Ghetto at all did you?

 

If your going to respond to Israel's so called aggression, do so at the time it occurs. Don't wait around and then fire rockets from school yards, hospitals, or neighborhoods like terrorists do but find a nice empty field so when Israel fires back no civilians will be injured. And make sure you aim at a military target not a civilian one or it doesn't count.

 

Because they hide behind civilians when the fire their rockets. Duh.

 

"Evil"....Lol.....Hamas is a democratically elected nationalist resistance movement.

Democracy is alien to the mafia state of Florida, we understand that.

Actually, the Nazis were not invaders in Germany.

However, jews from places like Miami and Moscow who push out indigenous Palestinians from Palestine, are.

 

Sorry, it's you who considers it as hiding behind civilians. You will have to answer the question of how you came to the conclusion that they are purposely 'hiding' behind civilians, keeping in light of what has been established in this thread; that Gaza is a population-dense area; and that it goes against militarily sense to fire rockets from an open field; which is why, as Snake noted with regards to Hamas' military style, "The French Resistance in Paris and elsewhere, the Poles in Warsaw all used the same tactics."

 

What stick in the 'Alawi?'

 

Hamas is made up of terrorist pigs. The Nazis were invaders in France, Holland, Poland, czek, etc, etc. Sell that to some naive college kid.

 

The IDF avoid shooting back and hitting civilians? The IDF have murdered loads of civilians over decades.

 

Yes, invaders but not in Germany which is what you said. Hamas are only considered terrorists by a minority of the nations of the world, who guess what, are pro-Zionist scumbags. Hamas are rightly regarded as a democratic nationalist resistance movement by most of the world - fact.

 

Fiction.

 

LOL

You really have no idea of the history of Palestine, Israel and Gaza do you?

Israel has repeatedly invaded gaza, settled it, and today controls every aspect. Sea air and borders.

So youre wrong on that point, please dont go on now about how Israel is justified in doing whatever it wants. You simply dont have enough reading behind you because youre not really interested in this subject.

In fact please dont respond to me, I dont want to have to explain things you should already be aware of.

 

I would like to point out that both Hamas and Al-Fatah (in the form of its alter ego the Palestinean Authority) have poor claims to electoral legitimacy. There was basically one election where they ran against each other in a free and fair manner and the result was Hamas got the majority of votes (particularily in Gaza) and Al-Fatah was strongest on the West Bank. They tried half-heartedly to cooperate for a year and then gave up in a messy and sometimes violent fashion and have been strong rivals ever since.

Hamas has had one election since then in Gaza where they sat heavily on Al-Fatah and basically guaranteed they would be re-elected. It wasn't quite as bad as a Communist election but it certainly wasn't free and fair. As for Al-Fatah, they have somehow managed to avoid having another election for the Palestinean Authority and no government in the West has called them on this undemocratic behavior (because they are seen as being easier to work with than Hamas).

 

your nailed to the wall. let's see the proof right now terrorists lover. cough it up

 

Really? All the time?

 

just like a job. 9-5 everyday

 

Why do you hate civilization?

 

Ghandi never got a gun shoved in his face...

 

Losing your composure.

You do know Abbas is a puppet. He just gave up his own right to return to the place he was born. Even still, he can't get the" Israeli" and US government go support his bid.

He is becoming a disgrace to most Palestinians.

 

Islamism is a savage murderous cult. The world will be a better place when it is placed on the ash heap with the other "isms". Why don't you show us the pictures of truck rocket launchers with a red cross emblem on them.