the Real Presnce of Christ, which is foun only in His Church, the Catholic Church He is there waiting for you... You need him whether you realize it or not... and most people (self included) do not know how much they need Him until they are THERE... and have been there for more than 5 minutes or so...
It seems that the Catholic Church itself doesn't agree with your statement that the real presence of Christ can only be found in the Catholic Church. Matthew 18:20 springs to mind For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them. This verse happens to be a popular ecumenic church-hymn in my country. Its both in the Catholic Gotteslob and in the Evangelisches Gesangbuch: [video=youtube;beZ7H-PkJ5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beZ7H-PkJ5A[/video] Its a verse thats also been mentioned by John Paul II in UT UNUM SINT On commitment to Ecumenism: This love finds its most complete expression in common prayer. When brothers and sisters who are not in perfect communion with one another come together to pray, the Second Vatican Council defines their prayer as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement. This prayer is "a very effective means of petitioning for the grace of unity", "a genuine expression of the ties which even now bind Catholics to their separated brethren".43 Even when prayer is not specifically offered for Christian unity, but for other intentions such as peace, it actually becomes an expression and confirmation of unity. The common prayer of Christians is an invitation to Christ himself to visit the community of those who call upon him: "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Mt 18:20). 22. When Christians pray together, the goal of unity seems closer. The long history of Christians marked by many divisions seems to converge once more because it tends towards that Source of its unity which is Jesus Christ. He "is the same yesterday, today and forever!" (Heb 13:. In the fellowship of prayer Christ is truly present; he prays "in us", "with us" and "for us". It is he who leads our prayer in the Spirit-Consoler whom he promised and then bestowed on his Church in the Upper Room in Jerusalem, when he established her in her original unity. Along the ecumenical path to unity, pride of place certainly belongs to common prayer, the prayerful union of those who gather together around Christ himself. If Christians, despite their divisions, can grow ever more united in common prayer around Christ, they will grow in the awareness of how little divides them in comparison to what unites them. If they meet more often and more regularly before Christ in prayer, they will be able to gain the courage to face all the painful human reality of their divisions, and they will find themselves together once more in that community of the Church which Christ constantly builds up in the Holy Spirit, in spite of all weaknesses and human limitations. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...ts/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html
so yeah, no. but I did spend time in the presence of a really good pastry cook this morning. does that count?
I didn't think the catholic church is a real christian church. Oh, it was posted on april fools day. ha ha good one.
Wow, excellent post. I "liked" it because I couldn't "love" it. - - - Updated - - - Whats funny is after "communion" sunday, my son said he was going to "relabel" grape juice and call it "jesus juice". I thought that was hilarious, and told him to go for it.
So the church is the final authority in what matter? And no, you'll have a tough time selling transubstantiation.
The verses in Mattew doesn't specify, so we are left to assume all matters. I was not trying to sell anything. I am just clarifing some points on Catholic Doctrine. The best evidence in the Bible on the Eucharist can be found in John chapter 6.
Any time the Bible refers to scripture, it is refering to the OT. The events in the Gospel happened long before it was written, so it would be impossible to appeal to any NT scripture at the time. So, both are the final authority.
So the NT doesn't hold the same authority as the OT? Also 2nd peters refers to Pauls letters as scripture. 2 Pet. 3:16
No. The Nt is on equal footing with the OT. My point is that there was no New Testament in the early Church. The only scripture they would have had at the time would be the OT. If scripture is the singular final authority, then where in the Bible does it say that? How did we get the Bible? Who authorized it?
Peter considered Pauls letters along the same lines as scripture. Why are you appealing to scripture, when you believe its not the final authority? I could as you the same thing where does it say "the church" is the final authority?
I remember discussing the Catholic views on the Eucharist with a fellow-catholic of yours in another thread at great length. If you're interested: http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...esus-saying-his-disciples.html#post1062116661 However: I have strong doubts that the OP referred to the Eucharist here or to any other halfway serious theological questions for that matter. With all due respect to Catholics in general I must say I deem that specific Catholic to be merely trolling.
"Matthew 18:20 springs to mind “For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” So if it's just me I'm talking to myself?
What is a christian? If they believe in JC and repent and believe he's the path to eternal bliss, is that not a christian?
I will make sure to check out that link. If the OP is not refering to the real presence in the Eucharist, then what on earth could he be talking about? It is what Catholics mean when they mention the real presence. If you would like to know what trolling really is then check out post 2 in this thread. The OP is just very proud of his faith.
Here are some ways to know you're not really going to a christian church. 6. They have crosses everywhere. 5. Everyone is singing and dancing very gay. 4. They ask you for money all the time. 3. They talk in tongues and do rants. 2. They read you the bible. 1. They wear hats.
