Heat waves in Europe and also in the US ...

Where is it changing is the question that seems to be ignored by warmist/alarmists since they seem to imply it is the ENTIRE world climate is changing because of a small warming trend which is easily disproven by a casual examination of varied climates of the world.

The Climate in my region has been unchanged for at least 10,000 years now since we quickly got out of the glaciation phase since then it has been hot and dry summers and cool and still low in precipitation as it is a steppe desert.

 

And I've already responded to him.

 

The truth and overwhelming scientific evidence provide a different story: the recent European heatwave is mainly the result of natural processes but was enhanced modestly by human-caused global warming. ​

Good link. Thanks for sharing.

 

Which was a contradiction and, in the end, you disregarded all the research.

 

The last paragraph you ignored:

5-10% is small and that was an opinion as he says PERHAPS......

 

You made a lot of assertions but no evidence presented while it is well known that major tornadoes are in decline for decades now, no increase in landfalling hurricanes and until 2017 there were no landfalling Category 3+ hurricanes for 12 years.

NASA

May 13, 2015

LINK No Major U.S. Hurricane Landfalls in Nine Years: Luck? LINK

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No increase in global wildfires since 2000 according to NASA satellite data,

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Major Tornadoes in decline



Arctic sea ice stopped declining about 15 years ago



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PIOMAS doesn't show any decline anymore,



There is more like this I can bring up.....

 

Thanks. I have great respect for acceptance of evidence.

The data in such studies is not typically made available to the average consumer of news or climate “information”. There is little chance of most people ever running across the actual facts. Look at how many threads are on PF now operating from the exact opposite premise as the conclusions of science. For some reason there is a notion all climate change is bad. Nothing could be further from the truth

Wow, that’s a lot to address. As with the human deaths from heat example already covered, many of these other subjects are not what they seem if all you know about them is what you see on TV or hear a politician say. For example, a recent study of corals shows young corals in the subtropics are more than replacing the loss of new corals in the tropics.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190709160136.htm

Also, the premise that warming is the primary cause of coral reductions is not always accurate . The media will tell you so, but if you get into the nitty gritty a different picture emerges. Let’s focus on the Great Barrier Reef for a minute as an example.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1208909109

Unfortunately crown-of-thorns starfish have their juvenile predators heavily depleted by commercial shrimping and crabbing as well as sea cucumber harvesting on the Great Barrier Reef. Blaming coral declines on warming alone is like deforesting the windward side of an ecosystem and then blaming lack of precipitation and warmer temps in that ecosystem on fossil fuel based carbon emissions.

Another aspect of coral bleaching most are unaware of is the exacerbating effect of nitrogen and phosphorus excess nutrient from human terrestrial sources.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1915395117

I don’t know how deep you want to go on all your examples, but I think what’s important is that there is always more to the story than what you’ve posted above. For example, the vast majority of the US and the planet have experienced increased precipitation as warming occurs. That is not a harm to the ecosystem.

Deaths from natural disasters “impacted” by climate change have dropped drastically over the last 100 years.

There are just so many facts that are ignored in favor of negative reporting.

I believe it is myopic, selfish, and irresponsible to ignore all the positives associated with global warming such as increased food production potential, decreased deaths from exposure to suboptimal temps., more plant life “greening” that has positive effects on humans including lower obesity rates and decreased racial disparity in infectious disease rates, and more freshwater availability.

The reduction in mortality from suboptimal temperature isn’t just about winter. Some of the highest rates of death from below suboptimal temperatures occur in sub Sahara Africa near the equator where “winter” as most of us know it doesn’t exist.

The best attribute of warming is this: It means there is not imminent global cooling which would be disastrous.

 

1. I'm wondering, oil heated by the blood of Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis ..... etc. don't you reject?
However, given the historical connection of the Dutch with the German Nazis, I understand your concern for the Ukrainian fascists.
2. I'm glad you don't need to keep warm in winter. Maybe you don't need European industry either? Maybe tulips are enough for you.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECD0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2BqVSzpdO0sKVzzHvmLskQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...sQFnoECDsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0K02EPAwE0CyJmVhlpma-C

You will see in the animation that food in the lowest food chain is at a higher concentration in the polar regions that the equatorial regions throughout the year.

 

How does the weather for a couple of months prove anything about climate? It does not.

Stop pushing immoral lies. Life for the average person on this planet has greatly improved in the last 30 years while the liars have preached we are in a climate crisis. Throwing your little Greta like tantrum will not get you anywhere.

 

Eastern Europe has not had a heat wave. Average high temps for June in Minsk and Moscow were BELOW average.

Average June highs in Moscow are 75 degrees F. they were 71 degrees in June.

https://www.weather2visit.com/europe/russia/moscow-june.htm

Average June highs in Minsk are 74 degrees they were 72.

Temps in Munich have been average. One day the temps got above 90 degrees on June 19th.

https://weatherspark.com/h/m/70344/2022/6/Historical-Weather-in-June-2022-in-Munich-Germany

See the dishonesty? One 90 degree day all summer = "heat wave" to these people. It's called summer.

 

As I have said over and over again CC is a white western obsession. They do not give a damn what China and India do though combined they represent 37% of carbon emissions.

This is about self hating white Caspers who want to blame the world's problems on white people and capitalism.

 

Wow so temps cooled from 1940-1980 and then went up one whole degree C in the next 40 years until now.

Some idiot makes a chart that looks like Dell's stock in the 90s for emotional effect? One degree!

In the meantime world hunger and infant mortality declined.
Population went up and so did life expectancy.

Sounds like a good thing to me.

 

Same thing here in Middle Tennessee. I love it. Better than cold and ice.

Munich has had one 90 degree day all summer and they call that a heat wave and proof of something.

Paris has had 2 90 degree days. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://weatherspark.com/h/m/47913/2022/6/Historical-Weather-in-June-2022-in-Paris-France

 

Life on earth is not coming to an end. There will be significant reduction in some species.

 

A denier with delusions of intellectual adequacy.

Yeah there have always been small variations in climate. And what is small on a geological scale may seem huge to insignificant humans. But some people with brains were extrapolating warming 100 years ago but they expected it to take centuries.

They did not have 800,000 years of ice core data or predict the amount of carbon extraction after 1920. Success is a bitch!

So we have 33% more carbon in the atmosphere than for a couple of million years. If we hit NET Zero today the temperatures would keep going up. The CO2 we put into the atmosphere last year has not had its full effect yet. It would take 10 or 15 years fo the planet to reach equilibrium.

 

If you put a cup of water in a microwave how much energy does it take to raise it one degree?
But if you put in a gallon of water how much more energy would it take.

The surface of the Earth is 200,000,000 sq miles. 70% of that is water. So how much energy to raise just the top 6 ft by one degree.

Temperature is a side effect of energy.

We will fry with enough energy.

 

Check out the poles the first indicator of changes in the atmosphère.
The température hit 25C in the Arctic this month.
Huge glacial pièces the size of small countries have broken off and are melting into the océan.
Fish and marine wildlife are moving North.
Yet the équatorial belt is suffering record droughts and uninhabitable températures.
Over the last twenty years in SW France I have seen far warmer summers and they last longer.

 

The climates in all those areas are still the same you are describing WEATHER events which you overreact to.

This is the near current DMI Arctic temperature:

DMI

Daily mean temperatures for the Arctic area north of the 80th northern parallel, plotted with daily climate values calculated from the period 1958-2002.



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Barely gets above freezing.

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Polar Portal



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Nothing unusual going on here.

The rest is just babbling since you offer no sources to support your assertions.

You need to stop reading the media's hyperbolic nonsense since they are in it to generate circulation better to run with the science and the data instead.

 

I don't believe anybody doubts that we are in a warming period. Your graph shows an increase of 1.2 C over the past 140 years. Measuring temperature is trivial. Anybody can do it. The problem "deniers" have is wrapping it up politics and money. It causes extreme statements like those Al Gore made for years and the government is using to do extreme economic things about it. Both sides are right. We are in a warming period. It makes sense to deal with it. But causing the upset of populations and economics is not indicated. We need to deal with it without the craziness some people want to apply to it.

 

Climate scientists do not talk about CO2 resulting from unnecessary manufacturing due to planned obsolescence.

Economists do not talk about planned obsolescence.

Economists do not talk about the depreciation of durable consumer goods.

There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1994. Where are those cars now? At $1500 in depreciation per car per year that was $300,000,000,000 for one year.

We are listening to economists who can't do algebra.

NDP = GDP - Dcap [Western econ calculation]
NDP = GDP - (Dcap + Dcon) [reality]

Dcap: Depreciation of Capital Goods
Dcon: Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods
GDP: Grossly Distorted Propaganda

 

Please dont insult me with 20 year old data .
And it looks tp me like à clear proof that surface mass is reducing . Could be those glaciers I mentioned.
Of course it is weather
That is one of the results of climate change.
And frankly it will do the planet a great deal of good to move towards à cleaner air and water.

 

Your graph is showing a huge increase in temperature above the mean in the 0 to 100 days, on some days as much as 15 degrees centigrade increase above the mean. And this is the mean, not what is happening on the Arctic 'coast' where the melting is actually occurring. This graph does not help your argument

 

So what was the end result of all that?

75% more people. Much better fed and living 12 years longer.

 

Another one of those bogus extreme graphs where a half degree increase looks like a stock that went from $1 to $100.