Here Is How You Create Lasting Social Equality In Society

Are you saying people won't be able to afford their own car in a place where cars are free?

 

I'm guessing you might have read that story about the Australian Project? I forget the name off the top of my head, but that's exactly what it suggested. It suggested a society where, in the future when robots have taken over all service industry and production jobs, there's literally excess humans in abundance which are just draining the American capitalist paradigm. They're kept alive because they can't just be killed, but there's literally not enough jobs for everyone to the tune where the result is literally only the extremely rich business owners have any buying power, save a few people who were born into wealth and live off that.

In the story, the same technology that took away people's ability to work in the capitalist economy was used in an experiment to create a society where everything is 1.) Free, 2.) Open source (since everything is free, nothing can be stolen, therefore all technology, discoveries, sciences, arts, information) has no personal value to everyone and benefits everyone immediately and 3.) pursuing your life ambition is the lifestyle by which people must live by. I think they said it as "Make each day better".

So the logistics of this were the following (again, it's a sci-fi story, but talks about exactly what you suggest here so it's worthy of mention I think):

- Robots create everything. From 3D printers, to sewing machines, it's all automated and only requires data and delivery beyond that, also computer controlled. This goes from everything from clothes to musical instruments to videogames, refridgerators, even buildings
- There is still something of value, but it's only the value which we have translated over time into currency/money: Energy. However, it's direct energy cost. The level of sustainable energy had advanced to the point where you'd have to be one busy mo-fo to hit your energy level usage. I.E. everyday you could order a complete months worth of clothes, custom made just for you, and be fine.
- Because everything was open source, new improvements to technology were daily. There was nearly no turnaround time between discovery and implementation. For instance, if someone designed a solar powered car with 900HP, went 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, and could travel 600 miles without a single ray of light on a charged battery, it would be available literally the instant the plans were uploaded on the network. Robots would build it if someone ordered it. I think people underestimate the inherent need to create and discover that has driven man for the longest of times. Inversely, without opportunity, no one has the ability to have access to anything to prototype and test their ideas without a stack of capital or investors or a gov't grant. Removing this limitation combined with instant global access, you increase the number of designers by thousands.

So overall, according to the author, robots will be both the downfall of and new hope of man to finally escape social inequality. He also provided real world examples to provide enough money for everyone to live on indefinitely today without changing taxes too much, just new radical revenue avenues.

If I can remember this story, I'll post link.

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I also forgot, everything was completely recyclable. New plastics stronger than metal that could be fabricated with relatively little energy or natural resources extended nearly indefinitely raw materials for new constructions. As well, I believe everything was biodegradable as well and if it wasn't it was returned to the raw material depots.

 

No, I'm asking you what would happen under your proposal if two people want the same free car at the same time?

 

But that question supposes three false premises. Firstly, that it could happen under my proposal, where everybody can have a car if they want one. Second, that it does not already happen under this system without it being a major problem. Third, that poor people lacking cars is for some other reason than because they are poor.

Effectively, your post is nonsensical. I can't even say that it's wrong, because it's just a nonsensical question which bears no relevance to what I suggested.

 

No, I haven't read it, but it does sound fascinating. These types of idea do outdate me by a considerable length of time, so I'm not surprised there are other examples.

 

It can most certainly happen under your system. Two people see one particular car. They both decide that they want that particular car right now. What happens? Do they fight for the car? Does someone decide which of the two gets it? What?

I'm not supposing anything about this system. I asked a question about YOUR system.

Try thinking about the question.

 

This falsely implies I have not just exposed your question as nonsensical. Try thinking about what you say.

 

You still have failed to address the simple scenario I posed regarding the system you propose. Two people see one particular car. They both decide that they want that particular car right now. What happens? Do they fight for the car? Does someone decide which of the two gets it? What?

 

A lie disproved by the existence of post 79.

 

You said it can't happen under your scenario, but failed to explain WHY it can't happen.

Let's say two people see the exact same car and decide they want it. They arrive at the car at the same time, and each one wishes to get in.

How can this not happen? It's perfectly reasonable to expect that such a thing could happen.

 

Well it seems to me that certain people thought Obamacare would work.......

 

Why spend extra time improving cars or working in tough fields when you can sit around all day at a do nothing job instead?

This is a crazy pipe dream and will lead to millions of deaths if tried. Far worse then the cultural revolution.

 

You mean like everybody already does right now?

So far all I've heard are criticisms of the current system which are happening right now, and for some utterly insane reason which I don't fully understand, you are completely ignoring that they are problems caused by the current system and pretending they are instead problems with my suggestion. Eighty to ninety percent of people work dead end jobs flipping burgers or answering telephones because they are forced to do that to earn money to pay the rent. My suggestion would end that tomorrow and permit everybody to follow their dreams, yet as is so typical of most people on these boards, you are simply reversing reality to its absolute polar position and directly implying that my suggestion causes these problems which already exist completely independently to my suggestion.

Ah yes, here we go again. Social equality and fairness is going to cause millions of deaths, right? But inequality and injustice saves lives. Please spare me your insanely stupid mantras which you've been taught to chirp out parrot fashion every time someone suggests a better way of doing things.

You have no argument. You have simply reversed reality. It's stupid, pointless and a great way to prove to smart people that you haven't got the slightest idea how logic works.

 

If everything is free, why work? There is no incentive to work. If there is no incentive to work, what can you take if nothing is made, or not enough is made? You must be a Liberal and looking through those rose colored glasses again. Hoping to find that answer to give everyone what they want and need without putting out any real effort to get it.

 

It's obviously not very well thought out. He can't even answer the simple question of what happens when two people want the exact same car.

 

It is a call for looting.

If people did work in this system, (they wouldn't) they certainly wouldn't put extra effort behind their products that are going to get jacked anyway.

 

Go look at how many people died of starvation during Mao's cultural revolution and let me know why your plan won't fall victim to the same fate. Would you break your back an extra hour if it meant absolutely nothing to you in terms of what that labor could buy while dirty hippies who work at the peace love suck shop lazy about selling crystals all day? BS. That is why you will starve and the farmer will have his family fed and not much more.

What do you plan to do in your Utopia? Philosopher king? Surely you won't be the guy taking out the trash am I right?

 

The entire premise is flawed. Everything is free? That completely ignores the fact that resources are scarce and rivalrous.

 

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This entire thread reminds of this video my previous science professor showed my class... He thought this was a brilliant idea. Absolutely disgusting.

1. Assigned work
2. Assigned school
3. Assigned food credits

Sounds a lot like the OP with a planned everything because that's the only logistical way his "Free" everything could work.