Hollis v. Holder The battle to reopen the Machine Gun Registry begins

It has never been argued that if the prohibition on the transfer of new machine guns is overturned, that all the paperwork required will also be overturned. You are attempting to exercise intellectual dishonesty.

Because there is no such thing as black firearm owners, correct?

Just as there is no legitimate reason to own a ferrari when your sole requirement is transportation from point A to point B.

 

No, according to y'all, every regulation is a violation of the 2nd Amendment and you guys won't stop till corporate America has the ability to purchase nuclear weapons on the open market.

Apparently not legal ones if one listens to the comments on this website. But yes, there are indeed law abiding black firearms owners.

I would prefer a Bentley, a much smoother ride, like driving a cloud, oh so sweet, you should really try it sometime. A Ferrari is nice, don't get me wrong, but if you are spending that kind of dough on a car, least make the deal worth your while. Lotus's are sweet as hell, but to spartan on the inside for me. Lambo's are a pain in the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing ass to back up, actually I recommend against any low clearance vehicle. Now a Maserati is your go to car for luxury and performance. In your mid grade car choices, I would go with a Lexus over a BMW or Mercedes. Jaguars are crap to maintain.

 

Cause second amendment, I win, argument over.

Quoted just to agree.

Well sure it has, I'd make that argument, the 1934 NFA is technically only about paperwork and fees. The common use clause in Miller now applies to machine guns, thus the NFA paperwork provisions are unconstitutional.

 

More hyperbole and little else. There is little point in even dissecting this one.

Except for the fact that no such claims have been made.

Then you previous claim regarding those who are the type to own firearms, would appear to be incorrect, as well as discriminatory.

None of which there is a legitimate need for, when the sole reason for having a motor vehicle is simple transportation from point A to point B. For what purpose would you have need for anything other than a minivan, or a prius, unless you are intentionally planning on leading police on a high-speed chase across multiple state jurisdictions?

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Only if the supreme court agrees to support such an argument. Otherwise they are not. There is the little matter of the "dangerous and unusual weapons" clause in DC v Heller to contend with.

 

Article I section 8 Clause 15 United States Constitution.
DERP!

Got a gun? Let's send you to war. You after all ARE the Milita aren't you? Or better yet, let's send you to protect our boarders from those pesky illegal aliens and the Mexican Drug Cartels.

Oh snap son, I forgot, states have rights too. And they can say that your gun is illegal in their state thanks to the 10th Amendment. OH that's gotta hurt.

Oh, and planning to use that gun against our constitutionally elected government? BAM Article III Section 3 or the United States Constitution BOY!

Oh you want to wage a constitutional war here son? You are hilariously outgunned.

 

There is no predicting the stupidity and politicization of SCOTUS but I'd argue that 'common use' and 'dangerous and unusual' are contradictory terms. That if it's common, it's not unusual.

DERP DERP, nope nope nope, nahh.

 

Really? Careful what you wish for, now you are arguing for private use of military hardware. Thanks to Citizens United, corporations are considered people too, and thus protected under the 2nd Amendment, and they have the buying power to purchase military grade weapons. Think a company wouldn't want their hands on a nuke?

Then you haven't been reading or understanding this website have you? Your ignorance is not my problem.

Not really discriminatory as pointing out the hyperbole that happens.

A Bentley isn't built for speed, it's built for luxury, It's your ivory inlaid chrome plated 9mm of vehicles. Sure you can go with the Satan designed Chrysler Town and Country, or the Prius, a car who's gear shift was apparently designed by Nintendo. But apparently according to you the objective is evading the police. So, for that instance I would go with the crown Victoria Interceptor. You could lose that thing in a sea of taxi cabs and if you didn't alter it too much would be near impossible to find.

 

What you are arguing for is options which is all we want. Options to buy, own, and sell what we want when we want as long as we do it responsibly. Full auto weapons are just another class of weapons, nothing more. They sound scary, shoot lots of bullets, and scare soccer moms. If I use one responsibility and safely, why can you apply a label such as "military hardware" as if something used by the military is now forbidden by civilian use?

 

The militia clause is the reason. I would be against ALL forms of gun laws if gun people were for the Militia clauses or the United States Constitution. But they aren't. Gun people want this armament for the expressed purpose of attacking and waging war against the constitutionally elected government of the Untied States. That's why I am against the gun crowd. I feel the gun crowd is trying to violate Article III Section 3 of the United States Constitution. That's why I am against the gun crowd.

If you guys weren't constantly spewing traitorous bull(*)(*)(*)(*) like "the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots" I would be on your side.

I'm not against guns, I'm against insane people that want to overthrow our government for a fascist state. You guys don't understand this. People who want to violently overthrow a constitutionally elected government aren't in it for freedom. They never were. They are in it to violently impose their will upon the people of the nation regardless of the people's will. And that's not freedom baby.

Listen I hunt. I own a Springfield 30.06 rifle that I use for hunting. I hunt because wild game is good eating. I understand the right to own firearms. I don't want to take that away from anyone. I just want sanity. You can't use a Tommy gun for hunting. And full auto guns aren't used for hunting anything other than humans.

I am against this culture that thinks that they step outside into a real world call of duty game. I live in this real world. and I never have this problem. I've even lived in Detroit and never had the use for a firearm. You all think that everyone is a potential enemy that you have to blow the head off of, and I counter that you really don't. Once some idiot tried to mug me with a .45 with no clip in it, in Detroit. I beat his ass with an umbrella. Life ain't a damn first person shooter as it appears that the gun crowd believes. Now you (*)(*)(*)(*)ers want machine guns? Why the (*)(*)(*)(*)?

Sanity has to creep into the gun culture at some point.

 

How limited are you intellectually that you constantly put everyone in one box?

I'm all for the militia as intended in the Constitution and much as it's codified in law in the Militia Acts. We have gone so far from that ideal though that it's a long climb back. I'm nowhere near alone in this line of thinking, I suggest you get to know a little bit more about the people you are assuming so much about before you continue to do so.

This line of thought is contradictory to the reasons why in the Constitution a militia was chosen over a standing army, Here you contradict what you said above. Thus I must figure out if this is deliberate or not. Are you making a false argument in an attempt just win some form of argument or do you actually believe what you are saying. I think the former, largely due to the next section.

Now you sound like an angry political activist. I really wish you would refine your arguments. There is no refuting unfounded and unclear beliefs. It's like arguing with a scientologist, they think what they think and no amount of reason will change that. This is why I have largely given up engaging with you. This one post of yours made a point at first, it had some sliver of logic with a mix of incorrect assumptions, in short it showed hope in the first section. It all went downhill from there though.

 

I don't, gun nuts put themselves in the box.

But they aren't constitutional, they are anti constitutional, they wish to start a civil war in this society. That's the problem.

Exactly a Militia versus a Standing Army, according to the Constitution the Standing army was supposed to be absolved if there wasn't a current war going on, but as we see, the army does exist concurrently, even though it's funding is supposed to be limited to two years at a time.

Better that I sound like an angry activist than a traitor to the Constitution which many gun advocates sound like.

 

Amazing, in one post you go from full retard to making since like you are above, to going full retard again below.

Why don't you try to make a reasoned point without the idiotic and insulting assumptions. I think you have it in you, I bet if you really try you can do it.

 

You are the first to accuse 2nd amendment supporters of being against the constitution. Everyone knows it's the liberals think the Bill Of Rights is an outdated document.
We don't want to overthrow the government. We want to protect the constitution and believe our elected officials that have sworn to do the same, need to do so also.
We see firearms as a deterrent to our government becoming over reaching. We don't believe that our government will go to war with an armed population. We won't start a war with the government, but by simply being armed, we believe the government won't become tyrannical.
You may hear about a few extremists taking about a revolution, but they are minuscule fraction of the 100 million gun owners.

 

And you are presuming to assign me what you claim is my position.

Are you even aware of just what materials the term "military hardware" actually covers?

Are you aware that the pentagon has been giving surplus military equipment to local police departments for decades? Machine guns, grenade launchers, body armor, humvees, armored personnel carriers, and countless other pieces of war-oriented machinery. Ultimately for what purpose? What do police officers need with mine-resistant armored vehicles?

Are you even trying to make an argument at this point? Or are you rambling simply to pad the length of your post?

You continue referring to nuclear warheads as if the option is seriously being discussed. As if firearm owners are actually calling for their general ownership by the public. No such argument has been made by anyone except yourself.

Then cite examples of who precisely has been saying that blacks are not legally in possession of firearms.

And the reason you feel the need to paint firearm owners as being what many claim to be rednecks? Living in trailers, drinking beer, and showing general ignorance and intolerance?

Claiming a motor vehicle is built for luxury does not change the fact that there are other options better suited for general transport from point A to point B. What possible need could you ever have for a high-performance vehicle?

 

you are for gun bans to harass people whose politics are not the same as yours. it has nothing to do with crime control or protecting the government.

your rants about full autos are so ridiculous as to cause those of us who understand the issue to laugh. Thousands of machine guns are legally owned by citizens-how many have been used against people?

You want to harass gun owners.

 

I am not planning on waging war against the government of the United States. Why are you labeling me as such? Your bias is flooding your argument so much that you can't see the forest for the trees. No one here is saying that they wantt o wage war against the government of the United States.

Many arguments have been made to forcing gun owners to justify why they want something. Some choose to give a historical basis for owning such weapons, usually stating that the framers of the Constitution just fought a civil war against an oppressive government and wanted to ensure that future generations were able to do the same. I don't. I want the ability to own a full auto weapon, nothing more.

Don't lump me into a nice red neck hill billy group that you are trying to shoe horn people into because gun owners are very diverse in their individual wants, needs, and abilities. Assuming that you know better than an individual for any and all circumstances alludes to the predisposition of you wanting others to make hard decisions for you giving you less choice, and fewer options. I am always going to be on the side of more choice and more options because liberty demands it. I wouldn't be able to tell you the wants and needs of an individual three blocks from my house, much less someone on the other side of the country.

Do I want a full auto weapon? Not at this time. I do want the ability to buy, own, and sell one later if needs dictate that I want one.

 

No, their is, self defense...

 

Really? No one is in it for Liberty? Tell that to the Founders...


We want Liberty, You can hunt using automatic rifles, that is how feral pigs are culled in America..

We have sanity, its called facts, logic, and reason.

 

There is one other good thing. Owning FA's are a wonderful investment. Back in the day you bought a DIIS for $39. Now you drop that in a host Colt SP2 and you can get $15K every day of the week. I bought an Uzi mini bolt with the micro cut (Vector Arms, of course) for a song and a dance a long time ago and flipped that recently for I think $9K. A buddy of mine bought five Ma Deuces for $50K I would say about 15 years ago; and he just flipped the whole lot for $200K. And I can't even guess what a GE mini gun would go for right about now. Remember when you could cop those for $20K?

OTOH, I wouldn't mind buying a half dozen MP5's for what police departments pay for them. I would love to convert my grab and go safe to more modern stuff. Right now my grabbers are an AK47 SA, Galil SA, and if I think I can make it to the tree line my grabbers are a pair of 700P's (a fluted bull, and a normal 26) in 7.62 NATO.

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Man I wish wild russian boar would come to upstate NY. That is some of the best eating I have ever had. The ribs are friggin magical. Crap - now I'm hungry......

 

Trust me those things are monsters, they are getting bigger and bigger every year...They learn fast too.

Trust me they taste amazing great but they are learning to hunt in packs..

Hunting from drones, with belt fed, suppressed MGs...Who could oppose this?

 

I wonder why nobody introduces russian boar to central and upstate ny and the whole new england area in general. Are those animals able to survive harsh cold winters? I love the taste of wild boar at restaurants; and can only imagine how wonderful they would be to have a freezer full of them at home.

 

Hillary doesn't want any competition in NY? That would be a good idea for creating hunting opportunities

 

I lived in Utah during college, Georgia for over a decade, and am now back in NY State (grew up here). I think NY has the best hunting I ever experienced. I read that of all the states, NY has the 2nd most firearms, trailing only California. Hitlery Clintard was doing the DNC-NYC play. Cuomo (also a Democrap) only got NYC in the election this year and I think maybe 2 other counties? Every other county in NY is 100% GOP. Cuomo can make any stupid gun law he wants; but no cops in Central and Upstate NY would even consider enforcing it. I live about 20 minutes from the Remington HQ. Everybody up here has trucks and everyone has at least two or three Remington 700's and the new Remington R25's in their truck. BTW - the R25: Everyone should buy a few. Not just because it keeps us employed up here; but the rifle is great. It's sub MOA, SA, very durable, easy to customize (flute and float), and it takes the DPMS 40 round magazines. Cerebus bought not just Remington and Marlin, but also bought Bushmaster and Panther Arms and some others. So you can get great products from them. Gas piston uppers, anything you want basically.

 

Well what you could do is trap a few down south (not hard, I mean they are easy to trap..Use bacon it works great but is kind of (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up) bring them north and breed them then release them out in the woods.

 

They need to be able to thrive through 5 months of snow on the ground. Were they from northern Russia where there is snow in the winter?