Holocaust families criticise Israel over Gaza

More than 300 Holocaust survivors and their descendants have issued a statement condemning what they call Israel's "genocide" in Gaza.

The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network placed the statement as an advertisement in the New York Times.

It was in response to an advertisement by Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel which compared the Palestinian militant movement Hamas to the Nazis.

More than 2,000 people have been killed in Gaza in the ongoing conflict.

Most of them were civilians. On the Israeli side, 68 people - mainly soldiers - have been killed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28916761

 

It's not going to make a difference, Israel has every right to remove the buildings in Gaza to make way for it's own.

 

What will happen to the Palestinians?

 

Flee, if they pay attention to the leaflets, I guess.

 

300? Wow, that's like what a tiny fraction of 1% of survivors, right? Guess what, hundreds of thousands of holocaust survivors and millions of their descendants fully support Israel's right to exist and pray for Israel's victory over Hamas for the benefit of both Israelis and Palestinians.

 

"Anti Zionist" Jews existed before this OP started so this news piece means nothing.

 

I read somewhere that 40 actual Holocaust survivors signed it and 287 descendants did. Probably the descendants were from the 40 survivors. I don't think this is a game changer.

 

Seems to me as though the good people who survived the Holocaust simply recognise that the actions of their government are echoing those of their former oppressors and are challenging them over it.

 

Sure they are good people...and misguided. These are not mutually exclusive things, you know... the majority (of this tiny negligible minority) are most likely from the UK and Europe, brainwashed by ultra-leftist anti-Israel media which refuses to call a terrorist a terrorist or print an anti-Hamas ad.

 

Seems to me like you are reaching......

"Anti Zionist" goups dont critic the Israeli gov, they deny its existance.

 

Both regimes are bent on lebensraum for their ubermenschen of past legends. Both are aggressive military states that pay no attention to international laws. Both have "genetic ennemies" that they just have to get rid off, by apartheism then violence. Both think themselves fully entitled to do so because of the wrongs they suffered in the past. Both has gained their strength in the same era, in the same world spot.

He is not reaching.

Most reasonnable anti-zionists (such as your humble servant) do not deny the Jewish/Khazar people a home, but not at this price. Not at the price of our humanity, or yours, not counting the ressources you cost us. We also oppose the continuing zionism (neo-zionism) that aims for the continuing pursuit of Eretz Yisrael rather than the peaceful zionism that took place before the Balfour Declaration.

As a blight on humanity, I oppose you as strongly as I oppose ISIS, or the Nazi regime if I were a contemporary. Because they're bad at the core. And unless things change, I support the total eradication of zionism-led Israel, just as I supported the total eradication of Nazi-led Germany or Apartheism-led SA.

 

Yea....

Look I know you try to pass yourself as a normal by-stander but your constant clinging to the "Chosen ppl" and Khazars proves you are anything but...

You belong to the pile that I enjoy reading while Im high, but never to be taken seriously.

 

... so I am an antisemite, is that it? Come on - say it. It's not like it is an extraordinary insult these days. This word has become nearly empty of sense to become pure pejoration, bu it's an insult first and foremost to those who suffered at the hand of real jew-haters.

Besides, even if I were an antisemite, or even a nazi, why would I feel ashamed, when there are people here who are openly calling for a genocide or another?

 

You defintly are, not because you bash Israel but because your views on Jews, I argue daily with Muslims on Israel and I respect thier views MOD EDIT - Off Topic

 

Your far to intelligent to think it means nothing Gilos, not a lot I would agree with you. But the steady drip drip of this sort of propaganda added to the images we see coming from Gaza are changing attitudes in the west and importantly america. I have seen criticism of Israel on this forum from far right and left wing Americans, from what I have seen its one of the few things they both criticise.

So not a "game changer" but a quiet murmur of discontent.

 

Yes but I was talking about the Jewish opinions, not European or American in general, I know our standing dropped there, I said regarding those "Anti Zionist" Jews - they always rejected the idea of Israel and there is nothing new here, you wouldnt ask ISIS about Obama health care would you ?

 

to be honest with all the news, I thought a lot more were killed on both sides than that....

I agree, though, hard to claim victim status of genocide if jews do the same to the Palestinians

 

So how much time do you think the Palestinians got left with this 70 year old "Genocide" going on ?

 

So how much time do you think the Israelis got left with this 70 year old "Genocide" going on? it works both ways....

 

I dont think there is a Genocide at all, im asking for your estimation cause you think there is, from what I read Gazan birth and mortality rate are very well regarding other countries in the area, I certinly wouldnt expect such an increase in the pop with a "Genocide" - such as the Nazis did - going on for 70 years. perhaps you meant an emotional genocide...

 

no, what I think is some from both sides want a genocide of the other... you may disagree, but that doesn't make it any less true

 

I quote the words of Noam Chomsky about Israel's Assault on Gaza:

"It’s a hideous atrocity, sadistic, vicious, murderous, totally without any credible pretext. It’s another one of the periodic Israeli exercises in what they delicately call "mowing the lawn." That means shooting fish in the pond, to make sure that the animals stay quiet in the cage that you’ve constructed for them, after which you go to a period of what’s called "ceasefire," which means that Hamas observes the ceasefire, as Israel concedes, while Israel continues to violate it".

 

Well then that settles it. Thank you,

 

Not that it seems to be noticed by you, in fact it seems to have gone zippity doo day right over your head, but you are on this board generalizing what Israelis think and you just had one tell you that what you speculate is not what he thinks, and instead of acknowledging that you deny his opinion?

What a joke. You stereotype the entie thought processes of all Palestinians and Israelis and you don't think it true when one of them says, stop assuming you know what he thinks?

Right. Zip zam zoom. You know. They are all genocide lovers. Got it.

Tell me is that the extent of your contribution to share negative subjective stereotypes that belittle and dehumanize people in a conflict?

Yah yah I know. You are a sanctimonious one. You look down from your pedestal and proclaim them all savages.

Yassuh Bawana. Can I getz you anuddah mint Julip masuh...

 

If anyone doubted what your agenda is it could not be clear. In 1 above, you spewed out 5 negative stereotypes that insult Palestinians and Israelis commencing with the word "Both".

In 2 you contradicted yourself twice revealing just how idiotic your comments have become. You slander Jews as being Khazars a debunked theory that was created and tried to show Jews are not a people but in fact children of rape and are therefore gentiles since the people who allegedluy raped their mothers were gentiles. How clever. Science has it all wrong you have it right. There is no link to the Middle East of the Jewish people as proven by genetics. No not with you. After all you read that Khazar myth on an anti semitic web site so it has to be true.

The very theory you parrot doesn't question Israel it questions Jews having the right to call themselves Jews but hey what the hell, its always good to use the pretext of challenging Israeli policies to make sweeping denials of Jewish people even existing. I mean throw in the word Israel every now and then and its just fine. Its not anti-semitism. Its discussion about Israeli state policies.

Its blatant anti-semitic baiting. You are using an alleged discussion about Israel to deny Jews exist as a people to incite hatred against Jews. That is blatant anti-semitism and I call you out on it. You want to hide behind the word Israel to justify it, I call you on it-you fool no one who your target is.

You also show once again you contradict yourself as fast as you write. You muddle your statement trying to claim you were a Zionist then you are not a Zionist and that there is a reasonable Zionist but then there is no reasonable Zionist. Ah what the hell. Logic? A cohesive sentence with any sense? Nah just spit out the words that make no sense.

In 3 we then have it, loud and clear. You support terrorism, genocide, violence against Jews in Israel. What a brave warrior.

Now I call you out loud and clear. In your case your last statement should have been deleted by the moderator. It is in fact illegal. You call for the committing of international crimes.

However I am gald its on the board so all can see you lack any credibility.

Your comments have lowered themselves to calling out for terrorism with name calling. You incite hatred.

Finish now what you started. When are you going to Gaza to join Hamas?