Homosexuality will never be or should be a Protect Class

Biased?..Facts proving what CA law including video...Clearly your wide open tolerant mind would not let you open the links.

liberal deniers willing to throw innocent little children under the bus to support more perverted life styles...just wow.

 

First, please do not speak for those of choosing to keep our eyes open.

Second, yes consent is key. TODAY. In our society just a mere twenty years ago...before we "progressed" to lifting up perversions...few would have have believed we ever would be here...just like you can't picture what else this pandora's box opened.

 

Throwing someone under the bus means you make a scapegoat out of him, usually a friend or associate, most often for personal gain. Your application of the phrase is quite unusual.

 

It's getting harder and harder to take republicans seriously.

 

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I should have said "as some have said here". Also to clarify, I was just trying to get the point across to the person I quoted. I'm sure others already got it.

 

My guess is that some of the people who believe that homosexuality is a perversion may well have been too well programmed to shift their position. I suspect there may always be an element of homophobia in society although over time it should get less...a kind of living history experience.
I hope you find some peace of mind with this because we're not going back now. Like you, I see a greater evil on the horizon, but I see this when looking at the past.
When I turn around and look at the future I see better things and a more inclusive society for my kids to grow up in.
As we are going in different directions I guess its good bye for now.

 

If you keep sputtering about those ubiquitous "libs" that are such vexations to your spirit, you're just going to sulk.

Try to cope with the progress, and don't allow the domestic contractual arrangements of other folks get you so ruffled.

They aren't going to hurt you.

 

That's silly in the extreme.. Children (minors) cannot consent to sex with an adult.. just like they cannot sign contracts......... Homosexuals will not be a protected class .. they will just have the same rights under law that everyone else has..... What is this fantastic mental disconnect????

 

So this isn't a rational, logical discussion. It's an emotion filled discussion throwing in the kitchen sink when necessary to make a point about something unrelated.
You said 'grand girls', I only repeated. No liberties have been lost.
What have I denied? You're making no sense. Try to do this without all that emotion.

 

That's really funny, coming from one who can only post with emotion and no rational thinking. I don't hate anyone or anything. There's absolutely no reason to. Life is to short to go around hating for no good reason.
A major reason for hate is because one thinks they are better than someone else and the other person is enjoying something they wish they had. Another reason for hate is because of being afraid.

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Again with all this emotion. You are not asked to be silenced. You are responding to something not even addressed to you. Do you know what a sarcastic response to a poster who used foolish arguments to start with?

I've addressed several of your posts, why don't you stick with those instead of one's that aren't to you?

 

So much vitriol...from both sides. ME INCLUDED.

This issue sparks so much passion from both sides.

As a Christian I am honestly telling you or anyone willing to listen I do not hate you. I hate what sin does, I also recognize that many do not believe "in" sin. I do though... I have seen what sin has done, what my sin does and yes as a believer I still sin every single day, just like every other believer before me.

What I do know is that God has a better way.

This nation and it's foundational beliefs stands for freedom, the freedom to be wrong, the freedom to be mean. The freedom to speak your mind. The freedom to stand firm in your convictions. The founders purposefully wrote "Pursuit of happiness" not guarantee of happiness. They did use the scriptures and the teachings in the scriptures to pen our founding documents, in doing so they revealed real love...Loving each other (neighbors) enough to allow screwing up without fear of reprisal from the state.

Believers and non believers are sinners by birth and by choice. We want to choose our own way.We both have fallen hearts that are bent towards all kinds of sin - including sexual sin. If you are gay, your fallen heart tells you to lust after people of the same sex. God calls that sin. My fallen heart tells me to lust after people of the opposite sex. God calls that sin. We are both called by God to turn away from what He calls sin and instead seek after Him.

From my heart in all honesty and in all openness I ask forgiveness of those I have offended and hurt with my passionate responses...I have not been properly reflecting love, real love. I do not care what you choose to do...I do care about what the fallout from this legislation is causing. Fallout like more division. I say that because no other nation on this earth has the ability to destroy this great nation that I love... We do have that power and we are on the road to do that right now through division.

I desire healing for us all...I do not think appeasement is that road...I do not think destroying the Christian church is a way to heal. I also do not think berating other sinners is that road either.

I am not a "super perfect guy" telling you this...I am another of the fallen, but I have an eternal perspective offered by a loving God (learned through study of scriptures and answered prayer, through real experiences with a very real God. I have witnessed Him perform amazing things for me and my family - though it certainly has not been an easy road) . God is one who does not and will not change His mind, He will not conform to appease His children, He expects us to do that, He commands us to also do that in love.

 

Facts would be the law itself. Not christians news stories on what the law means to them. That is bias.
More emotion. Throwing children under the bus. Silly.

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Rational thinking goes out the window when one is in a constant state of emotional distress.

 

Thank you for the most honest post I've seen in some time on these forums.
Rational, clear, emotionless discussions. That how we come to resolve differences. You may never accept gay marriage, and that is ok, you don't have to. But you have to let gays live how they want. Some are christian and have their internal issues to deal with when it comes to God. Some are not christian and don't care 1 oz what God may or may not think. That is the greatness of this country. We can all be different and still work, live, play, side by side or at the very very least, coexist without resorting to violence.

 

We are not a theocracy pal. Relax. I don't want religion in my government, just as I don't want my government controlling me.

 

Unfortunately...the current situation, the current decisions by the highest court, the refusal to accept the votes by the people on this matter and over turning that vote...all in the end have our government controlling our conduct and our lives.

 

Thank you. My desire in all of this is healing...by forcing new laws that specifically have an intent to squash the Christian church, despite many arguments to the contrary, we will only become more divided.

I view the scenario to come like this:

Laws using this latest ruling will be set in place, those first laws will be withholding tax free status from benevolent churches. The Pastors and Elders, will hold to God's word and accept this fallout and continue to preach that all sin is still sin.

Then new laws will be introduced (examples of this have happened in Canada) to prosecute Pastors, under strict anti-hate speech legislation, if they call homosexual behavior sin...or a perversion. Pastors and Elders will not abandon God and will accept prosecution and the eventual penalties.

Serious and deep division in this nation will occur.

 

No, no, no. That is emotional rant talking again. I hope you're getting it from RW BS rhetoric media and not thinking all this up on your own.

No one is going to remove tax free status of a religious or charitable organization. Now having said that, if a church or religion wants to force their beliefs into laws, then the tax free status needs to be looked at for we are not a nation of laws based on any religions beliefs.
No church should or will be required to marry any gay couple, unless the organization chooses so. I think churches today have the right of refusal to 2nd marriages, non denominational marriages, and anything else against their doctrine.

Just because they wear the cloth, does not give them a right to publicly incite violence or hatred. Calling it a sin in public? I don't know. Not the entire world is christian, most aren't, so it isn't a sin to them if they aren't of the abrahamic faiths. So again, if they are out there riling up the public into a frenzy with self righteous bull crap, then they should face the consequences.

 

This is a constitutional republic, the voice of the majority doesn't rule. US laws based on the constitution rules. And discrimination against classes of people is against the constitution. Plain and simple.

And I'm not sure what 'votes by the people' you're referring to. Most polls have gay issues being towards the gays and against discrimination.

 

Your government controls almost every aspect of your life.

 

Nice...typical. Distract away from the issue when you know your side of the argument is pretty weak, to say the least.

 

That's okay...I come here and other political boards because I relish that libs are so eager to display just how idiotic some of their ideas and thought processes are. Don't worry about me taking anything libs think or say too seriously, I see it as complete foolishness and in most instances it seems either completely azz backwards or "cart before the horse" thinking.

 

Let's be real clear about the homophobic insults hurled readily by leftists and activist. Nobody anywhere is AFRAID (why is it libs think it wise to resort to insults in just about every argument) of gays and lesbians and for that matter people that are confused about the equipment God provided the.

You are in for a mighty big surprise and of course instead of recognizing that it was liberals/progressives that created the awful results about to happen to us all, libs will be as usual pointing fingers of blame away from themselves and liberal policies, agendas and programs. Just like you all do with the Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac disaster.

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Sure...the minute the liberals/progressives stop blaming Christians, the GOP, the TEA Party and conservatives...frickin' hypocrites

News flash - Liberal policies, liberal idiocy all ready has accomplished the hurt and the results of the latest will be much more severe.

 

Homosexuals are all ready a protected class. Denying it will not and cannot change it.

 

Liberals and liberal policies are the problem...Hard not to notice how you had to deflect the discussion.

You act like because you declare that no liberties have been denied...it suddenly solves/removes the issue. Sorry but the real world doesn't work that way. It's quite sad that you think so little of our youth and our precious young girls that have in FACT lost their expectation of privacy.