Honest invitation to the Leftist Liberals -- please, tell us on the Right what you REALLY want!

That's an EXCELLENT video!


Steve

 

Almost every time Jordan Peterson speaks, it's like a breath of fresh air in a miasma of moral smog. And he's not even a conservative, as he himself will point out.

 

I’m familiar with you and Karl’s theory. I just don’t agree. My post was pretty clear that the property or it’s use makes no difference. It is to be protected the same. Your theory uses semantics to justify violation of certain rights you disagree with. It’s ok, we knew from the start our disagreement was based on this.

 

Are these self-defined poor.? Now that I am retired I am considered poor by income, but I certainly am not poor.

 

No, these are the poor as defined by the census bureau. It obviously uses a relative rather than an absolute measure. "You only own one car? What is this, the third world?"

 

Sounds like a great time for another Red October. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

USSR. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 'Soviet' means councils of workers. Yep, the socialist Marx utopia in action. Exactly what someone said wasn't 'communism'. The Socialist Worker's Republic AKA communism. Such a great place to live...except for the dictatorship and millions upon millions killed in the utopia. Stalin himself killed more Russians than Hitler killed Jews.....without using a war as an excuse.

NAZI. National Socialist German Worker's Party.

Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler.....all socialists....because don't call them commies. The utter stupidity by leftists is astounding.

The USSR and NAZI Germany came about through the use of envy and jealously of people perceived to be rich by the so-called poor. It is exactly the same **** spewed by Democrats on a daily basis.... "the millionaires and billionaires need to pay for this". $15 minimum wage...a living wage....70% tax rate.....Lenin would be proud.

 

You've got the wrong quote, Belch, or the system messed up your 'copy' somehow. In my Post #225 (indicated in your reply), I wrote this:

"I'm as about as far to the 'right' as a person can get, Daniel -- most particularly on economic matters. But believe this -- I'll fight like a mad dog for clean air and clean water. I remember all too well what the air was like in winter in Denver back in the late 70's -- smog so bad you couldn't see two blocks downtown. And today? The oceans? Many square-MILES of floating trash of every description! Horrible, with cubic-miles of MORE trash down below the surface, all the way to the oceans' bottoms....

It is exactly these kinds of things that all of us, Left and Right, should be able to join forces on immediately! Honestly, I don't know any Conservative person who wants to live in filth of any kind...."

I'm not upset with you, but I think that somehow the wrong post was being replied to... hey, it happens....

 

First of all, you said "money to be lard asses, have I-phones, netflix, big screen TVs, $5K wheels on cars, go out to eat all the time, etc." and there is nothing in your post about those specific things.

Secondly, watch carefully the wording in your quote.

Thirdly, you quoted a leading right wing think tank given to spinning to the point of extreme lying.

 

Wow. You post a rant video that feels oh so good to you as your "proof"?? LOL!!!

Pay attention to what he says instead of the thrill running up your leg. He says:

"When the Marxists say 'that wasn't real Marxism' it is the most arrogant possible statement ... it means "if I had been in Stalin's position I would have ushered in the damned utopia instead of the genocidal massacre because I understand the doctrine of marxism and everything about me is good."

But where are the facts to support his arguments? None to be found.

"You don't understand it and even if you did there would be somebody right behind you to shoot you the first time you tried to do anything good."

But where are the facts to support his arguments? None to be found.

Then he attacks the "radical feminists" and the entire left for not criticizing Saudi Arabia and every other objectionable regime.

But where are the facts to support his arguments? None to be found.

Next it's:
"Post modernists don't care about values"
"Post modernists don't care about suffering"

But it's all just a rant that feels good to some who crave something other than facts and analysis. And as such it proves nothing other than that he can speak and rile up the gullible.

I can counter every one of his assertions and "criticisms" with history, and the problem is that those who love such meaningless rants as his, are not interested in history. They're content to high-five and slap each other on the back for clever bumper stickers that make them feel good about their ignorance.

 

Huh? What's "the message" Stevie? Got trouble articulating it?

 

All you have done is to verify your dedication to capitalism and its laws.

 

HA! It looks to me like you're on a "twitter storm." Is that the proper term?


Steve

 

Not only that, I’ve shown socialism by any name or to any degree is based on greed and authoritarianism.

 

Huh? I don't "do twitter". It's a waste of time, only slightly more so than posting here.

 

No you haven't. You have only expressed your opinions on it.

 

Trump insists on his way, wanting to be dictator!

 

It wasn't meant literally, and neither was the deleted post of getting a grip on reality.

Steve

 

It’s predicated on violation of people’s rights. That’s not opinion.

And the results of all the real world testing that’s been done on Karl’s opinion support mine not his.

At this point a socialist is just a capitalism denier.

 

Your point? I don't delete posts.

 

I don't deny capitalism; I oppose and expose it. Some choose to not see.

There is no such thing as a blanket principle of "people's rights". Rights are either morally justified, or legally codified. Your claim of "rights" to "private property" are codified rights of capitalism. PERIOD.

 

Well you can claim that but the rights of my ancestors existed long before the labels of capitalism and private property existed.

You are another one of those guys that claims rights don’t exist and you have the right to tell them so. It’s like paddling your canoe out into a lake and then chopping holes in the bottom with an axe.

 

Don't make this about me. It's a violation of forum rules. And no, I don't claim rights don't exist. Indeed, I claim we have a moral right to healthcare and it should be declared a legal right.

But I advocate a change to the capitalist legal rights because they are a problem and it's getting worse with time.

 

Loosely translated, I want my free gimme dats to include as many free trips to the hospital as I want and doctors should work for free.

Rights and privileges are something socialists can't differentiate.

 

You just chopped another hole in the canoe.