Hoodwinked at Shanksville

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  1. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    Well, if it's a temp ban, I'm sure he'll be back.

    If it's a perma ban, I'm sure he'll be back under a different username before long.
     
  2. l4zarus

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    To be fair, from what I've read, this Lazo aka Killtown is probably not a child pornographer; just his buddy "Ozzy".

    Back to the 'challenge', from the blog link in the video:

    Didn't we do this already? Multiple times?
     
  3. DDave

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    Surely not to his satisfaction.

    And how exactly would you?

    The only means that fit "his" incredibly specific criteria would be video of the crater being excavated. To my knowledge, none exists. No surprise given everything that was going on at that time.. So he claims that it never happened saying "the lack of evidence is evidence".

    Lots of things happen that might or might not be recorded on video. I ate breakfast this morning. I did not video tape it. None of you can prove that I did. Given killtown's criteria, I can't even prove that I did. That is not evidence that I didn't.

    If video of the excavation surfaced now he would just claim it was a fake so the whole thing is really just a waste of time anyway.
     
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    Yet he allowed it to be posted on his site.
     
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    Actually I do know a little bit about reclamation

    There are laws governing the reclamation of old mines. Compaction to a percentage prescibed by material analysis. Topsoil backfill no thicker than approx 4 foot and no less than 12 inches.

    That dirt was compacted, and even if they didn't do it to spec, it was compacted by the shear weight of the heavy equipment used to backfill.

    Scraper, bottom dump trucks, blade (grader), possibly a bulldozer and a sheeps foot.

    There is no way that dirt was NOT compacted, after each lift the material is spread out and graded to a thickness and compacted, this would allow further dumping and backfilling, otherwise the equipment would sink into the soft material.
     
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    No, that is your M.O., not mine. I am going off what you post. Much more reliable than your supposed ability to read minds and know exactly what someone's situation is like you rather pathetically tried to do in the other post.

    There you go with the insults again. I asked you a straight up question and here you are throwing insults instead of answering a very simple question only you are truly qualified to answer. Yet you won't. I've already stated why. :lol:
     
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    So we're suppose to believe you and your supposed expertise over the experts who were actually AT the site and explained about the FACT it was a former strip mine and that the soil was still far looser than undisturbed soil? I don't think so. Or are you trying to go to the absurd lengths that the meaning of "soft earth" means people and machines should have just sunk into it? :lol: Nobody made that claim, but is is pretty clear you were headed there.
     
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    OK, so you know for a fact that the Shanksville soil was hard packed like soil that has been undisturbed for centuries. Riiiight. I say again, we're suppose to believe a proven liar like you? Why?

    Uh huh. And a while ago you were an IT technician pulling cable. :lol: Any other lies you want to tell? Here's a hint, 10. You can't claim you have experience on the internet. There is no way to prove it and you don't have the credibility to support it.

    Compacted earth is STILL much more loose than undisturbed soil. That is a FACT you refuse to face.

    I would call pretending you are some kind of expert in strip mine reclamation is absurd lengths. What are you going to pretend next? That compacted earth is HARDER than undisturbed soil that has had centuries if not eons to settle? :lol:

    A simple explanation that does nothing to disprove the soil at Shanksville was softer than undisturbed soil. It was widely reported that where Flight 93 went down was a reclaimed strip mine and that the soil was soft. Where are all the experts in reclaiming strip mines arguing that the soil should have been HARDER than undisturbed soil? Besides you, that is.

    I can certainly tell the difference between the truth and the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) in your posts.

    Really. So prove reclaimed stripmine soil is harder than or equal to undisturbed soil. If it wasn't a factor, why did anyone even bother to report it?
     
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    I'm guessing that if he could, he would have done so by now.

    It's also interesting to note that the reason he believes that the reclamation was done properly is because he claims that the state and federal governments passed regulations making it so.

    Odd that all of a sudden he has this overwhelming faith in the governments that in every other post he seems so distrustful of.
     
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    Nobody is debating that. Is it as dense or denser than undisturbed soil? Not even close. You lose. Again.

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and gave you a more glamorous title than you apparently deserved. You were a lowly cable puller. Is that better?

    :lol: Anyone who reads what you posts knows it is 99% bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    So you admit you never read your own work. :lol: Why is it all you can do is pretend to be an authority, yet can never post links that back your crap up?

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If backfill is harder, why would engineering articles like this prefer undisturbed soil?

    Heres a clue, Mr. pretend backfill expert. The natural settling of soil over hundreds or thousands of years is going to be harder than loose soil compacted. All your pretend expertise isn't going to prove otherwise.

    Maybe to you, but nobody else. Are you writing just to prove things to yourself or are you writing to try and prove things to other people?

    :lol: Why are truthers so (*)(*)(*)(*) lazy they can neither research nor believe anything that is reported unless it backs up their retarded theories?

    Suppress? :lol: Don't flatter yourself! I want this out for EVERYONE who EVER had doubts about 9/11 to read. Idiotic claims like the ones you make on a regular basis and without anything to back it up but your "good word" only show the desperate state the TBM is in. Why would I want to suppress it?

    Why do I need to read minds to tell the difference? The truth is the truth. I don't need to read your mind or anyone else's mind to see what the truth is. All you need is the evidence. Maybe you should try it some time.

    Pretty sad all you have left is petty insults.

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Show us a state or federal law that says the soil has to be compacted to a state HARDER than undisturbed soil. Go ahead. You've made the claim. You're the supposed expert. Prove it or once again admit defeat by running away with your tail between your legs.
     
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    And once again all we get from you is excuses with nothing to back it up.

    It's not hard to expose dishonesty.

    My agenda is to promote the truth, so yes. I agree with you.

    Wrong yet again. If it were so "readily available", you wouldn't be running away you would be posting links to back up your claim. I posted links. See the difference?

    More whining with zero substance. What is wrong with the document? Wouldn't you want to build on the most solid ground possible? You insist compacted backfill is harder than undisturbed soil, yet people say it is best to build on undisturbed soil. Your response? Utter nonsense.

    It is over four billion. I'm not stupid enough to try and claim undisturbed soil has not been disturbed since the Earth's creation.

    More whining with no substance. Why is it you run away from the questions?

    Really? One cannot insult a group? Maybe you should actually READ the TOS so you know what is and is not against the rules. I didn't single you out, did I? Nope. So what is the violation?

    So we have mutual goals; expose truthers as idiots with theories they can't back up and have zero evidence for. Good job! Keep up the good work! So far in your reply you've been absolutely perfect!

    Wow. Another prime example of how truthers can't respond in any kind of honest way. I say I don't read minds and you pretend I claimed I can read minds. Your posts have the kind of honesty one usually only sees in the worst kinds of politicians.

    Wrong yet again. Your posts have been nothing but unsubstantiated garbage and we both know it. I don't need to read minds to know that. You can't post anything to back up your retarded claims. If you could, you would be all over it.

    What rule have I violated? Trying to think up excuses as to why you can't back up your claims proves I am right and you are wrong. Seriously. Do you think ANYONE is going to buy your excuse that I've looked it up and think you're right, but that you just can't be "bothered" to look it up, post it and PROVE me wrong? :lol: Your claims are pure fantasy and fool nobody.
     
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    It wasn't soft earth
     

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