Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

No, it wasn't 'a fact of life.' It was a lot more popular than today, particularly among the 'intellectual elites' of the day, who believed they were genetically superior to the common rabble. And certainly the Nazi's did not create the idea of Eugenics, but indeed cited at the Nuremburg trials, western 'science' from American and British 'accredited' institutions promoting Eugenics in the decades leading up to the holocaust. But it was still a very small minority of the population as a whole that believed some genetic lines were superior to others to the extent that would warrant genocide.

Its also worth noting that 'just following orders' was invalidated by the Nuremburg trials because it was true- those convicted and executed as a result of the trials were just following orders (this is not a defense- they were evil for following those orders). But no one who ORIGINATED the orders were tried or executed at Nuremburg. The people giving the orders during the Holocaust were given very powerful and influential positions within the US and USSR governments as researchers, scientists and sociologists, because our respective governments were more interested in their strategic value than justice. The Nazi's weren't defeated. Germany was defeated. 'The Nazi's' were just absorbed into the other global powers for their scientific and technological expertise. And they brought their devotion to authoritarianism and eugenics with them.

 

I’m not sure there is ever an acceptable reason to apply eugenics. We can never fully understand the consequences of such tinkering.

 

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Or to put it another way, to promote a better animal or plant.
ie disease resistant, needing less chemical sprays, more resistant to animal disease etc etc.
The other side of the same coin I expect.

 

I'm just thinking of actual defects, cystic fibrosis, spina bifida and others. The only way we can eliminate them is either carriers and sufferers don't have kids, or we become way more advanced in genetic engineering.

 

But what is a “genetic defect” fair skin increases your risk of skin cancer and due to folate destruction neural tube defects in embryos but in northern latitudes it assists in better absorption of vitamin D3

Sickle cell anaemia gives partial protection against malaria

 

Cystic fibrosis, spina bifida and others.

 

Spina bifida is neural tube defect caused, sometimes but not always by folate deficiency and sometimes that can be due to destruction of the folate due to exposure of the lighter coloured skin to the sun

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-19/folate-sun-effects-pregnancy/5332306

 

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Cystic-Fibrosis-Evolution.aspxhttps://www.news-medical.net/health/Cystic-Fibrosis-Evolution.aspx

 

This made me think that you were the new flame-baiter on the block, trying to one-up poster "Black Irish."

You are very mixed up, in the difference between what one can GET AWAY WITH, and what is the understanding of people as to what is "RIGHT" based on the "knowledge of the time."

Knowledge of Eugenics was not limited to Germany, yet no one else was KILLING inferior people. How is that a rationale to kill someone? Sure, you can say, we can't judge someone inferior, anymore, based on race/ethnicity. But what about someone with severe Down Syndrome? They, clearly, are not as "able-bodied," or have as great an, "intellect," as a normal person. Ridding ourselves of this birth defect could only be considered an improvement. So, according to the knowledge (if not the lack of conscience) of today, by your argument, we could slaughter all people with Down Syndrome (& various other severe handicaps) and we wouldn't be doing anything evil, because it would be based on our current knowledge.
You might ask, why not just sterilize them, if the ONLY GOAL is "IMPROVING" HUMANITY? Well, why was that not sufficient, for the SELFLESS NAZIS?


I will add that, though it was legal to own slaves, that did not mean that everyone who could afford to, bought one. And, on another level, not everyone who did have a slave, equally mistreated those humans. However, you might claim that the good part of the population, so to speak, who were Abolitionists or who saw slavery as wrong, nevertheless were less than the majority, & so long as a majority of people are O.K. with something, doing it should be understood, in the context of the time, as not knowingly doing anything wrong-- is that your argument?

People killed Indians & took their land, NOT because they believed that was the RIGHT THING to do, but because it was allowable, condoned by the society, and it served their own purposes.

I cannot claim that there were not truly delusional people living, at any given time in history, but the great majority of slave-owners, did not really buy them in order to do the RIGHT THING, for the slaves, but to do the fiscally SMART THING, for themselves. Anything said otherwise, was just a whitewashing, a pretext, to make themselves not seem as cruel, in the eyes of their children, of their neighbors, who they saw in church on Sunday, and possibly in their own eyes-- but having a self-excusing pretext, is not the same thing as following one's conscience, to do what one really believed was right.

And you believe that the Nazis demonized the Jews, not because it was a way to scapegoat others for Germany's problems, or to unite the German people behind the Nazi Party, in hatred of these scapegoats, or to line the pockets, & help finance the war machine, of the Third Reich, through the confiscation of the vast conglomerate wealth of the Jews?

 

shaves were valued economic rools, but the slaveowners were very interested in sex with their property, and the selective breeding (as they did thoroughbred horses and various dogs etc.)

a quick look at any football field reveals that eugenics may work better than they anticipated.

 

No person does something that they believe to be evil. It is always rationalized in their own mind.

 

No science or pseudoscience involved at all. It was mass murder perpetrated by a psychotic. It was hatred and anti-semitism raised to the ultimate level. Do not excuse it.

 

Jesus Christ almighty,. The worst genocide in history was the killing of 50 million Chinese by the Mongols in the early 13thc but that took 50 years and is not well documented. The Holocaust killed 13 million with little doubt (6 million Jews and 7 million others) and that was in FOUR YEARS.

Also the Nazis are in still "living" memory, (there are still people alive that were alive then) and that means it is the PRESENT as far as moral propensities go.

The Nazis believed in killing EVERYONE who wasn't of their own narrow ethnicity and even with them they killed anyone who wasn't a PERFECT physical/mental specimen, I don't see how you can get more completely and totally EVIL than that

 

It would be awesome if we could start selectively breeding the stupidity out of our society.

Looking around this forum, I have a few ideas of where to start.

 

Do you hold abortion doctors to the same standard?

 

Why do you desire to hold ethical standards of today to judge the past?

 

Correction.

You are allowed to have opinions so long as it aligns with the woke crowd.

That's how these people operate.

 

The Nazis pretty much saw evil as good as we see the concepts They viewed themselves and their ideology as "beyond good and evil", (though Nietzsche would actually probably have despised them). Reinhard Heydrich, a leading architect of the Final Solution was regarded by many as a fine man, an exemplary and loving father to his own family yet he planned the systematic murder of literally millions of innocent people. This gives us what Hannah Arendt called "the banality of evil"

 

Because I believe in universal truth just as the Bible has taught me

 

Ahh.. more of that Kranes ridiculous revisionist history.

Gotta love it!

 

The USA did commit acts of genocide against the native Americans. This is a fact.

 

Well this ought to be fun.

Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”


Let's go down this road Ronstar. So... being this christian you claim to be, I suppose your SUPPORT the bible entry above by Saint Paul?

 

That isn't what she said.

Don't go spinning what was said to try and defend her.