How Alarmed Should We Be?

He did not.

 

President Donald Trump pressured Vice President Mike Pence publicly on Tuesday to reject the results of the Electoral College when they come before Congress on Wednesday, part of Trump's doomed-to-fail, last-ditch effort to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory.

“The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors,” Trump tweeted Tuesday.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069

Top Georgia election official Raffensperger details Trump call for Jan. 6 committee
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ffensperger-details-trump-call-jan-6-n1285123

Federal prosecutors looking at 2020 fake elector certifications, deputy attorney general tells CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/poli...al-certificates-justice-department/index.html

 

In J.D. Vance’s primary, nonstop Trump-worship shows the perils of populism

Here’s an unsettling thought: In GOP primaries, declaring unshakable fealty to the mythology that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump is becoming a bedrock condition of political survival. This is becoming so routine that it’s hardly newsworthy anymore — which only risks normalizing it further.

That’s the takeaway from the latest news out of the Senate primary in Ohio, where J.D. Vance is facing former state treasurer Josh Mandel and several other candidates. The race has featured a kind of loyalty competition, in which displays of fealty to Trump’s 2020 lies, pushed relentlessly by Mandel, have kept escalating to comic levels of groveling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/28/jd-vance-ohio-primary-trump-worship/

 

That's called a contingency plan. That not called action. Figure it out, just once.

 

When I asked you if Trump had pressured Pence, called election officials, and had fake elector slates sent to the National Archives you said, "He did not." But he did. Now you're trying to wordsmith your way out by saying it was a "contingency plan." Call it what you want, he did those things.

 

You're wrong. Trump was asking Pence to question the EC vote contingent on the states recounting their vote totals for president and Trump coming out the EC winner.
Notice (if you're able to wade past your prejudices of Trump) that Trump did nothing to forcibly change the EC vote at any time.

To say Trump tried to change the EC vote in his favor is like saying Biden is trying to wage war with Russia over Ukraine. Biden, for example, is calling 8,500 troops to be on standby if the Russians invade. That standby is a contingency not an act. I wish you'd treat Trump with as much respect as you treat Biden.

 

You're wrong. The 1/6 committee has received sworn testimony recounting the conversation Trump had with Pence on the morning of 1/6. Well after there was any pretense that election results would be changed since lawsuits had been rejected and recounts had been completed. He was asking Pence to reject the submission of electors from 7 states. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...u-who-have-trouble-with-the-word-coup.596539/

Committee reveals new evidence in letter
In the letter to Ivanka Trump, the panel said its members want her to weigh in on details obtained through other witnesses. For example, they shared testimony from retired Army Gen. Keith Kellogg, the former national security adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence.

Both Kellogg and Ivanka Trump were in the room when her father talked to Pence by phone the morning of Jan. 6, the panel said. Trump told Pence, "You don't have the courage to make a hard decision," Kellogg confirmed.

Kellogg also confirmed to the panel Trump made other remarks to Pence, along the lines of, "Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out."

The remarks came as Pence was being pressured by Trump to overturn the election's results — despite his ceremonial role to certify Biden's win at the Capitol later that day.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074397162/the-jan-6-panel-wants-to-talk-to-ivanka-trump

 

You need to discover the difference between contingency plans and actual plans...And you need to be less prejudiced against Trump (just like the Jan.6 house committee needs to be less prejudiced against Trump).

 

You need to examine the facts and face up to them honestly.

 

I would say the same to you.

 

The facts support me, not you.

In the letter to Ivanka Trump, the panel said its members want her to weigh in on details obtained through other witnesses. For example, they shared testimony from retired Army Gen. Keith Kellogg, the former national security adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence.

Both Kellogg and Ivanka Trump were in the room when her father talked to Pence by phone the morning of Jan. 6, the panel said. Trump told Pence, "You don't have the courage to make a hard decision," Kellogg confirmed.

Kellogg also confirmed to the panel Trump made other remarks to Pence, along the lines of, "Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out."

The remarks came as Pence was being pressured by Trump to overturn the election's results — despite his ceremonial role to certify Biden's win at the Capitol later that day.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074397162/the-jan-6-panel-wants-to-talk-to-ivanka-trump

 

We Uncovered How Many Georgians Were Disenfranchised by GOP Voting Restrictions. It’s Staggering.

“States are not engaging in trying to suppress voters whatsoever,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declared last year.

Facts on the ground in Georgia tell a different story. A new data analysis by Mother Jones shows that the number of voters disenfranchised by rejected mail ballot applications skyrocketed after the GOP-controlled legislature passed sweeping new restrictions on mail voting last year. The law enacted in March 2021 shortened the time people have to request and return mail ballots, prohibited election officials from sending such applications to all voters, added new ID requirements, and dramatically curtailed the use of ballot drop boxes, among other changes.

During municipal elections in November, Georgia voters were 45 times more likely to have their mail ballot applications rejected—and ultimately not vote as a result—than in 2020. If that same rejection rate were extrapolated to the 2020 race, more than 38,000 votes would not have been cast in a presidential contest decided by just over 11,000 votes.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/01/gop-voting-law-disenfranshised-georgia-voters/

What are the reasons for the elevated rejections? 1. Cutting off the application date to 11 days before the election. 2. For ballots that are approved, stricter ID requirements.
The backdrop for these measures..............infinitesimally small issues with voter fraud.

 

Whatever you say.

 

I'm relating the facts to you. Something you don't seem to be able to handle.

 

Oh the irony.

“Maus,” the decades-old graphic novel about the effects of the Holocaust on a family, has become an Amazon bestseller as part of a backlash to the news this week that it was banned by a Tennessee school board. The McMinn County board says it took that step on Jan. 10 because of a handful of curse words and other aspects of “Maus” that it found upsetting, including “its depiction of violence and suicide.”

The board’s decision on the 1992 Pulitzer Prize-winning book by Art Spiegelman, which had been a key part of McMinn’s eighth-grade curriculum, was unanimous. “The Complete Maus” on Friday held the No. 1 spot among Amazon’s bestsellers in the categories of fiction satire, and comics and graphic novels, and the No. 7 spot overall for all books.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/28/maus-amazon-bestseller-after-tennessee-school-ban.html

 

The book disses Nazis rather unmercifully, the same specimens Trump called "very fine people". Coincidence?

 

Fake news.

Again.

 

I'm sorry, I forget. Trump went back and corrected himself once he realized how bad what he had just said sounded.

He's done that a lot, like he did with the CYA sentence in the Insurrection speech.
We'll see how that stands up once he's indicted.

 

No, I mean you are just factually incorrect.

This is what Trump actually said:



Now you should probably be asking yourself, "Self, how did I get such a widely popular news story so wrong for several years?"

But you will never ask yourself that. You'll try to come up with some lame reason why your preferred narrative is true.

 

That migration raises a tantalizing prospect for Democrats: a dynamic in places like Georgia and Pennsylvania where the city strongholds are ringed with multiracial communities composed of voters who traditionally vote blue.

But Democrats’ dream is Republicans’ target. As red states have sliced and diced centers of Democratic power in this round of redistricting, advocacy groups, individual voters and even the United States government have called foul in lawsuits challenging the gerryrigged maps.

One of the major ones, Georgia NAACP v. Raffensperger, accuses the state of purposefully attacking these emergent multiracial coalitions to diffuse their power.

“The Controlling Party’s lawmakers and their map drawers diluted the voting strength of Black, Latinx, and AAPI voters in specific regions described in this Complaint, particularly in areas that witnessed significant growth of communities of color in the past decade, packing or cracking communities of color into districts,” the Georgia NAACP writes.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/redistricting-voting-rights-multiracial-coalitions-suburbs-court

During municipal elections in November, Georgia voters were 45 times more likely to have their mail ballot applications rejected—and ultimately not vote as a result—than in 2020. If that same rejection rate were extrapolated to the 2020 race, more than 38,000 votes would not have been cast in a presidential contest decided by just over 11,000 votes.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/01/gop-voting-law-disenfranshised-georgia-voters/

 

I prefer my narrative because it IS true. Trump has this habit of saying things that are either totally bad or downright illegal and then coming up with a CYA sentence that is the very model of insincerity to make it better. His acolytes eat it with a spoon. (will a spork do? I'm all out of silver.)

 

No, it isn't true. It is ignoring what is said because of your personal bias. If your narrative was true then you wouldn't have to make excuses to justify ignoring what was said.

 

Personal bias or not, Trump made it appallingly unclear as to how he felt.

I much prefer what Ronald Reagan said to Nazis. "We don't want your money, or your support, or your votes. There's the door."

THAT'S how you talk to fascists.

 

What exactly about "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally" is unclear? Much less "appallingly unclear"?

 

Yes, I don't doubt you prefer your narrative. I however prefer the truth. I presented for you the EXACT TEXT from the press conference, but if you prefer your own narrative regardless of the facts I can't do much about that. I'm just pointing out that you're factually incorrect no matter how much it disagrees with your narrative.