How Beijing Is Redefining What It Means to Be Chinese,

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I read this article, I was reminded of the time my son told me of something he did when he was in college. A professor started telling the class what a terrible country the U.S. was, saying that it was no better than a third world dictatorship. My son, a Purple Heart veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, stood up and interrupted the professor.

    "Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA!", he said, "You have no idea what you're talking about!" And then he told the professor about what life was like for people in other countries. He told of things he had seen for himself.

    I thought of that when I read this Time Magazine article about China.

    Our country has been a work in progress since its inception. We may criticize and seek to improve it. But it's worthwhile, at the same time, to keep things in perspective.

    https://time.com/6078961/china-ccp-anniversary-identity/
     
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    The US is gradually becoming worse, becoming more like all these other countries, but as far as where things stand right now, it's sadly still one of the best and freest countries in the world.

    For a time, maybe around the late 1990s to 2010, it looked like China was gradually becoming more like the US, while the US was becoming more like China. Of course there was still a huge gulf of difference between the two societies, they were still not anywhere close to converging.
    But that changed beginning around the time of the 2007 US Recession and then the new Chinese President Xi Xingping. Those trends of China changing suddenly reversed.
     
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    Do you need an account to access that article ??

    I've read other articles that say Xi is a Han nationalist... but what does this article say ??

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    Time Magazine allows you to visit their site and read a limited number of articles without a subscription. I don't know what that limit is. But then they cut you off.

    Basically, the article is about the deliberate and systematic destruction of cultures in China other than the Han culture. The targets of this destruction are the Uighurs and Mongols. Here are the introductory paragraphs:

    In July 2017, Gulzira Auelkhan’s father fell ill. So she made the short hop from her village in the windswept Kazakhstan countryside into her native China to care for him. Upon arrival in the western province of Xinjiang, however, she was arrested, for no given reason. No charges were ever brought, but she spent the next 15 months being ferried between five different prison camps with barbed wire and watchtowers, during which she was interrogated 19 times and tortured with electric batons. Her interrogators had no clear explanation for her detention. “Once they asked me, ‘Do you have a TV in Kazakhstan?’” says Auelkhan, 42. “‘In which case your ideology has been corrupted.’”

    Auelkhan, an ethnic Kazakh Muslim who grew up speaking a Turkic dialect, was forced to learn Mandarin Chinese, the Chinese flag and sing songs exulting the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) beneath photos of President Xi Jinping. “We all had to eat pork, and I was forced to burn a Koran and a prayer mat,” she says. “There was to be no more praying.” Afterward, she was sent to a labor camp for two months, where she sewed gloves until she says her neck ached and her eyes turned bloodshot.

    Auelkhan was told she would be paid 6,000 yuan ($930) but received only 220 yuan ($33). Camp guards told detainees that “from now, all ethnicities will be as one and must share the same language and food,” she says. At one point, Auelkhan was given what she was told was a flu shot, and afterward her periods became infrequent and irregular. “I became lethargic and today can’t even knead bread without feeling tired,” she says.

    China says allegations of mass detention, rapes and forced sterilization in Xinjiang province are “lies and absurd allegations.” Yet seemingly everybody there knows a friend or family member who has been disappeared. The new rules governing the province are clear: men can no longer sport beards, nor women headscarves. Fasting during Ramadan is forbidden, as is the Islamic greeting “As-salaamu ‘Alaikum,” or “Peace be upon you.”

    CCP officials are assigned to live with minorities in their own homes, while AI-powered facial-recognition cameras enable predictive policing in what Amnesty International calls a “dystopian hellscape.” Wearing a slightly longer dress, or forgetting to shave, is enough to flag the surveillance algorithm, according to recently leaked internal files, possibly resulting in detention. “They want to destroy [non-Han] language and culture,” says Auelkhan, who is now based in the U.S. “To brainwash the people.”
     
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    Xi is intelligent... he knows the racial destruction of the ethnic Chinese Han will forever destroy China.

    Pity White western leaders who are busy racially and culturally destroying the foundations of their own nations are too stupid to figure that out.

    China's previous baby-killing "one child" rule was aimed only against the Han [ethnic minorities were exempt.]

    Xi stopped that one child rule and is now urging Han families to have three children.

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    I'm not sure the Chinese are too concerned about this. The way they see things, they have overwhelming numbers of Han population.

    But they have embarked on trying to reduce Muslim Uighur fertility rates. Probably the local officials appointed by Beijing in Xinjiang are afraid the muslims will outbreed the Han population, in that province. The government has been creating incentives for people from Han areas to populate Xinjiang, trying to make sure that region is integrated with China. Russia during the Soviet Union did the same thing, trying to "Russify" outlying nations that they feared would want to secede.
    But the thing is Chinese people don't really want to move to Xinjiang. It's a backwater, a more remote region, to the Far West. Beijing could simply overwhelm them with Han Chinese population if they really wanted to, but they don't want to have to resort to doing that.

    What China is most paranoid about is anyone opposing the government or ruling Communist Party, or any part of Chinese-controlled territory trying to break away.
     
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    Biden is welcoming nonwhite third worlders to swarm the border and is resettling then all around the USA !

    As I said... Xi is intelligent... he whats to populate China with ethnic Chinese!

    Unlike STUPID White western leaders who want to replace their White populations with nonwhite third worlders!

    Guess who will control the world in the future... certainly NOT the nonwhite third world USA.

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    And he didn't get expelled for "Flagrant Behavior" towards his all knowing professor?
     
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    China has a population so huge it is almost unimaginable.
    93% of the land can not grow or provide food.
    There is potential to establish solar electricity farms so vast the eye wouldn’t take it in.
    The population want some kind of healthcare education occupation housing transport legal structure and system of organisation.
    The macro challenges would overshadow the micro concerns of smaller and at the moment more developed societies.
    The major natural resource is in it’s people, in number terms alone they have highly capable people in terms of intellect that other countries actually wish to learn from.
    The scale of things in China is the awesome thing.
    The current regime are riddled with problems and can be criticised endlessly, but I suppose that can be said of most governments to greater or lesser degrees, but the task of even keeping the show on the road is the big thing.
    93% barren survival alone is an achievement.
     
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    No, he didn’t. He was in his senior year and a straight A student. Throughout his college career he just kept his mouth shut when he heard that sort of thing ... until that day. He spoke for about 2 minutes, ending with “You have no idea how lucky you are to have been born an American.”

    Remarkably, he said the professor thanked him. After class, multiple students approached him and thanked him too.

    True story.
     
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    Yeah look at what Xi is doing! The west needs to do that too! Wait he's rounding up ethnic minorities into camps and committing ethnic cleansing?

    Stop advocating for ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Good for him! I was curious since we so often hear of things going south for students who dare to speak up.
     
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    Sadly?
     
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    That's spoiled child syndrom (the professor), when you always had something, you can take that for obvious, granted. Unfortunately has to loose things to learn their value.
     
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    Yahveh-Shua told Abraham, "In You, all families of the Earth are Blessed." (Genesis 12:3)
    Many of that seed, have repeatedly, over the centuries, since then, rebelled against that Creator, Savior Ruler of His Universe, who said of Himself, "I Am, because I Am". Those of His Seed can only Bless the other nations, when, they think and live in His Logic (Forehead-mind, Hand-action)

    America means "My People" and that people is basically, that seed of Abraham. Some do bless the the nations as Yahveh-Shua said. But, since 1913 or 1917 have, at the very least, been worshiping the enemies of both Mankind and the Savior Messiah. As a result, we have destroyed millions of Aryan Christian Israel people and millions of the other "families of the the Earth", and are lusting to torture and kill many more for our Idols, even as we murder millions of our own babies to please our priests of Baal.
    Thus, America is under the Curses of the Law; And we are so in love with lies & delusions that most don't even know that they are guilty; And, therefore cannot confess their sins, repent, and cannot be saved.

    More specifically, We sacrificed to protect those who tortured and murdered millions of Christian Israelite Russians, then we tormented & murdered millions of Christian Israelite Germans in order to make the world safe for the likes of Stalin and his Bolshevik Communist butchers

    And currently we are trying to murder our mother, Christian Israel Syria, the mother of Western Civilization, Christianity and the Aryan Christian Israelite people that includes ourselves.
     
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    Nope…I put that in Google translate and still nothing.
     
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    What is the degenerate West going to do... bomb China into submission like it did Christian Serbia?.... then invade and occupy a large chunk of China to give to racial/religious minorities like it did Kosovo?... then arrest Xi and murder him in a globalist prison like they did Serbian leader Milosevic ?!

    The West is in no moral position to dictate to others when it's own hands are covered with depraved filth and innocent blood.

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    So what you’re saying is China wants to emanate the west and the west’s lack of moral standing?
     
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    The more 3rd worlders we allow in the lower we sink. They’re not adapting and rising up. They’re sinking and forcing laws to accept their lower standards.

    there’s a reason central and South America don’t lead anything. It’s culture. Truly sad that my kids and grandchildren will be inheriting a degrading country.
     
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    Kinda ignoring the history of the US intervening and taking over those countries and how the US wants them to hold onto their comparative advantage forcing peasants off land and in search of work.

    But yeah tell us about how it’s all the cultures fault.
     
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    Sorry. Mexico and South America aren’t **** holes because of us. Nice try. They’ve always been **** holes. Brazil was supposed to be a rising power back before the Olympics. Explain how WE stopped them. What a joke.
     
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    Mexico is a shithole because the US didn’t want them to organize resistance in SA against the US. In terms of Brazil? Supply side economics if I recall correctly is what did them in.
     
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    Mexico is a corrupt hell hole bowing to the cartels. That’s all on them.
     
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    Obviously you weren't capable of understanding my post.

    The moral authority goes to those who protect and promote their own kind.

    The first law of God and nature is to protect and promote your own kind.

    When Xi protects and promotes the Han [ethnic Chinese] from evil cultural marxist globalists who want to racially and culturally destroy China... [like the evil globalist cultural marxists have racially and culturally destroyed White Western countries]... whether Xi knows it or not, he is doing God's work by protecting his own kind.

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