How can libertarians justify eating meat?MOD WARNING

Need has nothing to do with logic. I am hungry, I need sustinence. It does not matter what it is that I eat - if there is an animal there for me to consume, then rather than look around for something to replace it with it is entirely logical to simply eat the source of food right in front of me.

It's not a "why". Logic is not the same thing as morality. Like I said before: you can think it is immoral to kill anyone, but if attacked the logical thing to do is kill your attacker.

I see absolutely no reason for me to not eat meat. No logical reason anyway.

 

Still spouting your fallacies I see. In fact, medical personnel advise people to eat animal broth on a regular basis to help recover from a debilitating disease. But that is irrelevant anyway. No one needs an excuse to eat meat beyond the fact that the want to. Why would you believe they shouldn't kill or eat meat of animals?

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I sleep just fine. Recognizing your fallacies does nothing to me but make me chuckle.

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Why should he surrender? His assertions are far more logical than yours.

 

I use reason and do not resort to fallacies like you do in your illogical assertions about the killing and eating of meats.

 

You will have assumed wrong. Responding to your questions is a waste of time and your point about not eating meat is BS, so just what am I supposed to answer about your BS?

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Just one of your illogical fantasies! The assumption that someone would kill a cow and eat it suggests they would resort to cannibalism is logical fallacy.

 

Eating meat can be as logical as eating potatoes, but neither has to be justified, especially to animal rights fanatics.

 

There is nothing unethical about eating meat. And it does not have to be justified to the likes of you.

 

No. That's just stupid. That's cannibalism. Animals are not humans. You really don't understand how incredibly lame your analogy was... do you?

I just got back from Costa Rica... 1st stop... In and Out... Double Double... "ANIMAL STYLE".... it was brilliant good!

 

ROFL! You too?

So... do you think it is wrong for a bear to eat a fish? Or a lion to eat a zebra? Or should the bear and lion starve to death.

By, the way... Cannibalism is a terrible analogy, but I can tell vegan nutters don't understand how poor of an analogy it is. This is a religion to you... isn't it?

 

Apologies for the delay. This deserves time, and I don't have much until this weekend. I'll make a couple of statements instead.

The way I see it, and this is open to critique and argument, of course, is that there are two possible sources of rights. The first is "natural", ie. arising from the human capacity to act as moral agents and self owners. From natural law, we can objectively discover natural rights, much as we can objectively define the scientific method and therefore a scientific course of action. It is the only framework under which all people can be treated equally under the law.

The only other conception of rights that can be logically consistent is that might is right. Those who have the most power to define rights get to define them.

 

I can objectively discern that others value their lives through scientific inquiry. How much they value them is not objective; it is subjective to each person. I am under no moral obligation to value their lives at all.

What if I desire to kill 1 person, who has done nothing to harm or threaten anyone else, to save 2 people? It is the way governments frequently operate.

What justifies it? If I know that by testing my syphilis treatment on 1,000 people, I can cure tends of thousands in the future, is that justified even without their consent?

This is the problem with creating rights value, it's highly utilitarian. In the end, it's just might is right with an intellectual justification.

 

Good eating!

 

Great picture. When I clicked on the image and it enlarged I counted 2 curlycue horns and 1 small horn big animal. What are they? And where was this taken? And why did you shoot them?

 

Thanks! The picture was taken by my Shikar (an Indian man who tagged alone when I went hunting. The 2 spiral horns are from an Indian Antelope (black buck) and the large animal was a Nilgai, two different species of antelope common in the Indian jungle. This picture was taken at the Kashipur Colonization Project (A resettlement program to settle Hindu refugees from Pakistan after the partition in 1947) They were taken in late 1952 or early 1953. After finishing high school in Mussoorie, UP, India I spent a lot of time working at the project helping to remove a few thousand acres of jungle to reclaim the land for agriculture and to give the refugees a place to live, work and raise their food and make a living. Part of my job was to hunt for food for the project workers and part of the meat was sent to my family in Lucknow since meat was not a common commodity in the bazaar, or at least not edible meat. The 3 antelope yielded some 350 lbs of meat about 150 of which I packed in dry ice to ship. The other100 lbs was consumed within 3 days as there was no way to preserve it. Some was dried and salted like jerky, but most was eaten fresh and I had to hunt every 2nd or 3rd day for more. My Shikar was a Muslim, who did Halal for the meat so he and other Muslims could eat it. Fortunately the Nilgai was still breathing so he could cut the throat and say the prayers. Halal is very similar to Kosher when it comes to slaughter and butchering acceptable animals. Some Muslims have special preparation methods and some prepare food like the rest of us.

 

No one has to justify eating meat or plants. We live in the USA we can eat what ever we want. I justify eating meat. Because I like it.

 

There needs to be no justification to eat meat, and no one has posted relevant justification to the contrary.

 

Once when we were slowly walking through tall grass trying to sneak up on a herd of Chital Deer with my Shikar and a couple of others I glanced over and saw a tiger sneaking up on my Shikar. Apparently we chose the same hunting area as the tiger. Much to my chagrin there was only one thing to do.

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