How did animals and insects get to remote islands?

Then you must not have been paying much attention. I've been on here for awhile, and as a Christian, I see evolution as the best explanation of how life on earth is the way it is.

 

Well, it depends on the animal. Insects can have small eggs that can hitch rides. Flying insects can be blown by storms, just like wayward birds. Mammals tend not to spread much naturally across the ocean. It was one of Darwin's observations.

http://www.darwinwasright.org/biogeography.html

 

Yes, if dinosaurs had sprouted wings they'd have been too heavy to get off the ground anyway, so they had to be phased out..

"Sorry kiddo but it's all to do with wing area, power-to-weight ratio and aerodynamics"

 

I am well aware of the Drake equation and am also aware it does not address the thread topic.

 

Are you really this ignorant, or are you a troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx

 

Yes but note it's still just a theory which means there's still room for doubt..

 

I started the thread so it's my show, we have to open-mindedly explore every conceivable way that life got onto remote oceanic islands, it's called scientific analysis and requires us to stand tall and think outside the box like the great giants of old..
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4)

 

My mistake...I thought you wanted serious answers to the question, based on science rather than science fiction and myth.

Now I understand...might I recommend you have this thread moved to either religion or conspiracy?

 

But mate, it's quite normal for designs to be scrapped, for example Adolf dropped the Amerikabomber for technical reasons..-
"I completely lack the bombers capable of round-trip flights to New York with a 5-ton bomb load. I would be extremely happy to possess such a bomber which would at last stuff the mouth of arrogance across the sea"- Hermann Goering 1938






Nazi study of atomic bomb blast on NY

 

That's the intellectually honest method of defining theory.

The point is that Darwin made specific observations about the existence of animals on oceanic islands that are pretty correct. Oceanic islands don't have native terrestrial mammals (that can't be traced back to humans). Oceanic islands don't have amphibians. Oceanic islands don't have purely freshwater fish. All of the previous critters can't easily be explained by the raft or bird leg theory.

 

Ah but reality, sci-fi and myth often overlap like a tangled ball of string and we can have fun open-mindedly untangling it as best we can.
Incidentally Dr. JMB Smith of the University of New England, Armidale Australia, notes that not only do species have to cross to the islands, but then must establish themselves there against all the odds-
"Establishment of permanent populations following successful dispersal may be a far larger hurdle to potential colonists than being dispersed to an island in the first place"
http://www.eolss.net/Sample-Chapters/C12/E1-06-05-06.pdf

 

Yes that's why I'm researching theories that might explain how all species got there, even out-of-the-box theories like alien "gods" seeding the islands with "genesis projects"..

 

But you don't even know the basics. Study the basics before you start studying things like "alien gods". The simple answer is that we don't find terrestrial animals that can't be explained by the "rafting" or bird carry hypothesis on oceanic islands. The observations on earth are consistent.

 

Sorry mate I can't accept that certain species could survive weeks or months floating on a "raft" of vegetation.
I mean, what would they eat or drink, and how would they survive storms and burning sun etc?
Until those questions are satisfactorily answered by science, the rafting theory remains just a theory..

 

Then please explain why terrestrial reptiles can make it to islands, but terrestrial mammals, amphibians and freshwater fish can't? It certainly throws out your crackpot "alien god" seeding hypothesis, unless it's just that aliens don't like mammals.....

HEre is an example of iguanas who were dispersed to the island of Anguilla by a hurricane

The above voyage took about a month.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/08/us/hapless-iguanas-float-away-and-voyage-grips-biologists.html

 

To limit the possibilities to the above is illogical by my measure of logic. Just because my interactions and observations here on the forums are not inline with yours does not mean that I "must not have been paying attention."

You reject the Bible story of Adam and Eve?

 

250 million years ago there was one continent, and 50 million years later it started breaking apart eventually forming the seven continents we have today. Since all of them, all of us, are floating on a molten core, we are still moving around. All that Earth is today is so amazing to me...and to think 99.9% of us take it all for granted...

 

As a literal story, yes. It's a parable, and tells us about human nature, and our relationship with God. It also tells us that all humans are one family. It's not historical.

 

Note the depth of Preacher Brady's curiosity, actual research and honest scientific inquiry.

 

If you know how creatures got onto remote oceanic islands, please tell us the answer or is it a secret that's only been revealed to you by whatever angelic being your cult worships?
Me, I don't know the answer and am not afraid to admit it..-

 

I agree .. Its allegory NOT history.

 

Thanks, I don't doubt that hitchhiking creatures can make short hops like that in isolated examples, but it stretches credulity to think they could make it to remote oceanic islands in trips taking many months.
And I see that- "..scientists..have been arguing since early this century about whether such journeys were even remotely possible", which indicate the whole issue of hitchhiking is by no means cut and dried.
My researches continue..

 

It's still a much more reasonable explanation than "alien gods" seeding them......

It's interesting that you are more open to that (which has NO credible evidence) than for what we do have credible evidence for. The thing is, only certain creatures are suitable for the rafting voyages. that's why mammals don't occur on oceanic islands. Reptiles are much more able to survive such a trip.

A recent example (besides the iguanas) was of an Aldabra tortoise (giant land tortoise) that was found washed ashore in Tanzania, which is about 500 miles away. The Tortoise had species of barnacles on it that take 5-6 weeks to mature, meaning the tortoise had been in the water for that amount of time.

http://www.anoleannals.org/2014/08/30/oceanic-dispersal-by-tortoises-and-iguanas/

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00222930601058290

There are some islands (Tristan de Cunha islands) that have no native terrestrial mammals or reptiles. Did the aliens just skip them?

 

An animal or insect can survive on a raft for as long as they have food. A herbivore could survive for years on a large tree if required and some actually never leave the tree they are born on. The possibility is far more likely than alternate explanations that do not take reality into account.

 

Get enough Amelia Earhart's over a long enough period of time and she would of hit it.