How do we prevent these mass shootings?

Not to worry; there will be plenty of people to replace those killed today by the wacko. More then enough are born every day to replace those killed by guns in general.

 

If it were not so sad, it would be funny.

A country has ongoing mass murders on a regular basis.

A country has a huge amount of guns in public circulation.

A country has very lax firearms laws

A country has a society with e propensity of violence.

If a two year old could not spot and fix the cause of the above, we would think him retarded. Yet a nation fails to see it! Pretty incredible. I do sometimes wonder if the people in the USA all have badly disfigured hands? As I am sure they would not learn the lesson of not putting their hand in the fire after doing it the first time

 

Work for effective mental health care that treats the unconscious mind directly.

Psychology is deeply negligent, but the courts and academia are preventing them from venturing there, so that's not quite fair. Hard to believe psychology is so filled with wimps willing to fake their job, but it is. This letter shows somewhat of an exception.



But the director and chief medical director were stopped from communicating with me any further. Since then 22 have been killed here in mass murders. A car and knives were used to kill 11.

Gun control will not work. Only effective mental health care will.

Anyone who actually has courage and also wants to stop the mass murders will start a thread about the issue of injustice used to stop this treatment from being developed.

Otherwise posting on the subject is simply hand wringing and complaining.

 

We've loved guns for over 200 years. But mass shootings didn't start happening until within the last 20 years. So guns aren't the problem, are they?

To be fair, speaking of culture, I don't think it's your fault that you're afraid of guns. You live in a very restrictive culture that fears firearms. So I think it's a natural thing that a lot of you guys develop because you lack perspective. I do think your society cheats you in that regard, though.

 

I understand why you certainly do not want to compare murder and crime rates in the USA - as I did - and who gun ownership and carry prevents crime and reduces crime.

So... shift to somewhere else in the world - and tell a false story there.

But that is EXACTLY what happened. After the handgun gun ban the murder rate spiked to the highest levels in Australian levels. In fact, it nearly doubled.

To this, Australian dramatically increased the number of people in law enforcement, for which murder rates remained higher than pre-ban lows.

Statistically, the handgun ban got Australians murdered, while requiring dramatically increasing how many are in law enforcement as the murder rates continued to escalate.

So keep disregarding everything about the USA and search for any place anywhere to try to find some period of time for variance to declare you are posting anything but positions that get girls raped, people robbed, stabbed, beaten and murdered.

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Far less Americans are as stupidly willing to be victims and the cowardly sheeple in most other countries. Maybe it has something to do with so many centuries of inbreeding? Or maybe it is because they all lost so many wars and got overrun so many times they figure they're just born to be hapless victims.

 

No, contrary to the claim of government control freaks, the only possibility is more government intrusion and power.

There is one common factor in all mass shootings. They were all defenseless. All who were murdered were unarmed. No gun-haters or control-freaks will ever even respond to the most relevant and obvious fact. They just rant and demand more government restrictions, more money for government, and more power for government.

As I have pointed out, citizens are even far safer with firearms than police. People having guns prevents crimes. Millions each year. Mass shooters pick locations they believe they will be unchallenged by armed resistance.

 

There are cultural differences between the USA and Europe, and the UK in particular, when it comes to guns, but that isn't it. It's not fear based, it's perceived necessity based. In most of Europe, guns just aren't part of the culture in the same way - there is very little hunting, for example. Also, the more recent (century or so ago) historical experience of guns is very different - it's not part of the great ideal of expansion and exploration, or a defence against marauding bandits and 'restless natives' and the like - guns are a part of war, and two wars particularly that laid large parts of the continent to waste. There are cultural differences that give a different view on guns, but they aren't based in 'fear of guns' but in just not seeing why the vast majority of ordinary people would ever want or need them.

That's obviously self-reinforcing - since virtually nobody wants, needs or has guns, the 'ordinary criminals' generally don't see the need for them either. It's only a tiny number of real hardcore 'armed robbers', and even they very seldom actually use them. Consequently the police don't feel the need to be armed routinely either - they will almost never need to deal with someone carrying a gun.

It's not that we're culturally 'afraid' of guns at all, but just that guns don't enter our conciousness at all on a day-to-day basis - they aren't there. Most people will probably never see a gun outside of a museum.

The USA is very different - guns are a deeply ingrained part of the culture, but more importantly they are actually there in large numbers, and part of the normal, daily experience of many people. Of course it is different, and the same workable solutions for one culture can't be applied for another and expected to work. They won't, and people have to understand this if they are going to begin to address the problem.

That certainly doesn't mean that the only possible solution is to do nothing and watch people die in large numbers, time after time, and it certainly doesn't mean the radical NRA approach of just having an ever-increasing number of guns in the hands of everybody is going to make the USA a safer place. Both approaches simply deny reality, and neither will do anything other than allow the problem to continue to get worse.

One thing that would be interesting, noting the increase of such attacks over recent decades, would be a full study into the various possible causes of that. By instinct I don't buy the 'we're just becoming less moral' argument - I don't think people are suddenly abandon being human beings, as a rule. There could be the potential influence of increasing violence in movies, TV and games, of course (though again I don't buy the moralistic 'just censor everything' approach - I think there are likely to be better ones out there), and the 'self-perpetuation' issue (one factor there could be that of the public exposure given to perpetrators - perhaps removing that could help, as it did with less serious issues like 'pitch invaders' at sports events, who are deliberately no longer televised, and so it now rarely happens), but are there also factors like an increase in mental health issues or decrease in effective mental health care, or an increase in sales/availability of certain types of weapon? You can't solve a complex problem with a simplistic solution, and anything involving human behaviour (especially increasing extreme human behaviour) is very likely to be a complex problem.

There is, I would say, only one thing that is absolutely certain. While the issue is treated as a 'black and white' one of entrenched opposing sides trying to battle to the death over it, NOTHING will be solved. The problem will continue to get ever worse. People will continue to die. While one side says 'we must ban guns' and the other says 'from my cold, dead hands', nothing will improve. The ONLY way to reduce the ever increasing risk of mass shootings in the USA is to actually try to find a workable set of regulations that restrict access to unlimited weapons and ammunition, while not significantly restricting the ability of ordinary people to have the kind of weapons and ammunition that they might actually need to use in their ordinary lives.

A viable solution is possible. Reducing gun deaths is possible. Reducing mass shootings is possible. It is only possible, though, if people on both sides of the debate are prepared to make reasonable compromises to find a workable solution.

 

the reason why europe doesn't have the problems america does, it because it doesn't have americans... lets be honest, there is a dramatic culture difference on how people handle problems in life... stress or otherwise... people trying to make claims its gun laws or other excuses, hogwash... compare the PEOPLE... and how they react to things in life... thats your answer... poor desperate people in europe don't act like americans at the rates they do... its a much lower explosion of anger, not a lack of opportunity to commit horrific acts, they have just as much power there to do it... but yet they don't... although I'm waiting to see how the flood of new migrants changes that average european reaction to life... sounds like things are already getting more violent there day by day... not just from the immigrants, but from the citizens themselves...

 

Why are you repeating that obvious mistruth? Mass shooting have been happening a lot longer than 20 years.

 

You advocate war on the streets between mentally ill and completely armed population. It will work, but no one wants it.

People think there is functional
Mental Health care now, if they knew courts and government were blocking the development of effective mental health care, they would oppose that and work for effective mental health care.

The PURPOSE of free speech is abridged so no one knows what gov and courts are doing that is causing mass murders. If we end the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech the people can unify and correct government in ways to end mass murders and a lot more.

I propose a reasonable use of the 1st amendment, you propose a bizarre use of the 2nd.

 

Until we decide whether lives matter...

... or the right to own guns matters...

... we don't.

 

We Don't....unfortunately.

 

Certainly a rarity by law-abiding members of the public because all guns are in the possession of the criminal fraternity. How unfair is that!! All we can do is hope we never come up against one of them.

 

This is America
This is you
This is your culture
Nothing will ever change....
I repeat...this is America..

 

I do not think we can prevent these tragedies from ever happening again, but I think we can mitigate the frequency in which they happen.

1) I think we need to uniformly enforce laws that are on the books.

2) I think we need to make sure that the mentally ill cannot purchase firearms.

3) I think we need to hold gun owners responsible for their firearms as too many firearms used in crimes are stolen by family members, friends, or home invasions.

4) I think we need to have mandatory gun safety classes for all gun owners as there are just an embarrassingly high number of people who are wounded or killed by accidental firearm discharges each year.

5) I think we need to do a much better job of monitoring those on parole and probation to make sure that they do not have access to firearms. Those on parole or probation should have their right to posses a firearm suspended until their parole/probation had come to an end.

 

If you have a gun you have a RESPONSIBILITY to keep it out of the hands of people who will do others harm with it. My solution is we sue people who are responsible for helping the mentally ill or criminals to get guns.

Many countries have very restrictive gun laws and are very free. Japan and most of Europe come to mind almost immediately

We could, and maybe should, do all those things. What distresses me, however, is how much freedom gun advocates all seem willing, even anxious, to give up if it only means that they can keep guns freely available to just about everybody. Why do all the gun advocates adopt it as a basic tenant that everybody must have completely free and unfettered access to almost any weapon available short of actual artillery and military vehicles? One would almost think they'd been sold a bill of goods by unscrupulous gun manufacturers and merchants who had no other goal than to make the American populace buy more and more guns all the time.

Everyone there is in the Army, and their use of their guns is very closely monitored.

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Don't ask, you'll get no answer, I never have

Nor is it yours and you add to that the inability to carry on a civil conversation. He said he was considering ALL violent crimes, it's right there in your own quote.

I don't see any reason they couldn't be trained to

If the NRA were to come up with the idea that burning your hand in a fire was 'manly' I am quite sure we would soon see millions of proud potentates with scarred mandibles to the extent that "two fisted" would denote one was effeminate.

My god man, those are well-thought out, logical and practical suggestions rather than slavering paeans in praise of arming our children, elderly and, particularly, our mentally ill, in the apparent hopes they will blaze away at each other and solve our child rearing problems and the Social Security crisis all at the same time. What is the MATTER with you?

 

Where I live, there is no need for people to be defending themselves. We are civilized.

 

You must be happy now then.

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Oh! No need to worry then.

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You said it.

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Keep your flag upside down for you are truly in a mess over there.

 

Switzerland is not in the European Union.

 

We are not afraid of guns, only Americans with guns. The people over there must have putty for brains.

 

I agree we are more civilized since the last war on our soil.

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I would like to have the courtesy to reply to your post but I cannot make sense of it. Sorry.

 

read my lips higher violent crime rate your article is referencing higher gun deaths

 

Sorry, but you are talking rubbish
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

The USA has the highest death by gun rate in the developed world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

 

I understand. I was only highlighting the perversity of arms control, which means that law-abiding citizens who can't acquire handguns are unable to protect themselves from criminals who can acquire them. It can only work in the impossible scenario where there are no guns, but obviously we cannot go back to a time before the gun wasn't invented.

 

I would disagree with you here. For starters, we have different cultures and thus different perspectives on many issues. For the most part, you are stereotyping. Second, gun violence is reported in the media constantly and provides a biased viewpoint on my society. Based on that biased reporting, I have had enough stories and questions from foreigners when I travel aboard who think that Texas is still battling with Indians, there are still Wild, Wild West gun battles between law enforcement and bandits, and the list goes on. Most of the time, the foreigner is not joking or being sarcastic.

Our main problem, though, is safety is talked about, but not implemented. Most childhood gun deaths are preventable, for instance,, yet nothing is done to prevent it. One way is to bring charges upon the parent for endangering the child if that child is left alone, has access to the firearm, and is either injured or killed, him/herself or another child, when playing with that firearm. But we do not have laws, or if we do have laws, they are either weak or not followed while other people tend to provide excuses and sympathy but no stern discipline to the situation I described.