How do you logically justify owning a gun for self defense?

Very good point Greataxe! I'm curious for the rebuttal on your post.Though simplicity can get complicated for the progs.

 

There will be no substantial rebuttal.

 

The Original Poster can at least copy and paste data that fits his world view.

Using logic to defend it is another story.

 

Why are police officers allowed to carry firearms?

 

Irrelevant. People don't generally own those things for the purpose of self-defense.

The question is why would you own something for a purpose when it's not actually serving that purpose (according to studies). In fact, it's defeating the purpose for which you bought it: it's making you more likely to be a victim not less likely!

I think people here own guns because it makes them feel safer, but feeling safer and actually being safer are two different things.

 

They have a lot more training and need guns to do their jobs. I haven't seen any statistics which show that carrying guns makes police officers less safe, but I've seen plenty of evidence that makes me think it's not a good idea for the average person to own guns.

 

Which demographics aren't safer owning guns? What other uses for guns are there?

Does owning a car make you less safe?

 

I own a gun for varmint control. Goats are pretty defenseless when coyotes or wild dogs are around and chickens even less so.

 

Maybe but people own cars for transportation and cars definitely do serve that purpose. So I can understand why people choose to own them. Guns, on the other hand, ......

 

many Americans live in places where the police are far away and cannot be counted on to show up in time to same their lives.

 

Then you don't understand even the basics about guns. 300 million guns do no harm every day.

 

Then it might make sense to own a gun in that case. However, if a study came out which showed you are 43 times more likely to kill a person than a varmint with your gun then you'd have to reconsider.

 

If a study came out that it's 60 times safer to ride mass transit you'd think twice about owning a car, right?

http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/12/19/heres-how-much-safer-transit-is-compared-to-driving/
Where's your study?

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If a study came out that it's 60 times safer to ride mass transit you'd think twice about owning a car, right?

http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/12/19/heres-how-much-safer-transit-is-compared-to-driving/
Where's your study?

 

Enough guns do harm to cause very serious problems for society.

 

https://www.azgfd.com/hunting/species/predator/coyote

In just one state for just a single varmint that 30k harvested. That would be equivalent to 1.2 million human eaths. In just one state.

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Enough cars and booze cause problems too. Find Constitutional, enforceable, effective and necessary solutions.

 

Before you dive into the expected barrage of non-sequiturs, think it might be a good idea to back up your claims that have been challenged numerous times in this thread?

I tire of artificial posturing easily.

 

"Andrew Anglemyer, PhD, MPH and colleagues reviewed 15 published studies comparing the odds of being a victim of suicide or homicide between persons with and without access to firearms. All but one of the 15 studies reviewed reported significantly increased odds of suicide and homicide victimization associated with firearm access. 'To our knowledge,' said Anglemyer, 'this is the first systematic review and meta-analysis to estimate the association between firearm accessibility and suicide or homicide victimization.' "
https://physiciansnews.com/2014/01/23/guns-at-home-increase-risk-of-death/

 

The study clearly studied the s/h relationship with access.

What you have failed to realize is that access =/= ownership.

A distinction with a difference.

That mistake alone renders your unsubstantiated argument, moot.

 

I see what I shoot. A coyote doesn't resemble a person. I very seldom use the gun but it always loaded and ready.

 

the only people who don't have access to firearms are those incarcerated, or on life support

 

What evidence is there that gun owners don't have access to the weapons they own?

 

"reviewed previous studies of gun-related deaths and found significantly increased odds of suicide and homicide victimization associated with access to a firearm in the home, according to their report published in the Annals of Internal Medicine."
https://physiciansnews.com/2014/01/23/guns-at-home-increase-risk-of-death/

So everyone in your home is endangered.

 

Not surprising you missed the point. The study did not explore an ownership correlation, merely access. You assert that it does.

Classic non-sequitur OP.

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yeah those studies included homes where an intruder or a stalker brought a gun into a gun free home and shot someone. we get the fact that you don't like the politics of gun owners, why don't you just own up to what clearly motivates your anti gun nonsense and stop pretending you are trying to advocate for "public safety"

 

You're the one making a non-sequitir unless you can show that gun owners don't have access to their weapons.