How do you prevent abortion?

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  1. churchmouse

    churchmouse New Member

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    Tell me how many abortions were performed in 1974? More than 1973?

    It only makes sense that when they legalized abortion…more women got them. Or is that not the case?

    If you say yes…then the opposite has to be the truth. You make abortion illegal…and the rates decline.

    That is a no-brainer….

    Well women can drive farther to get one…if they can. And in some cases…that is harder than you think. PP closed 7 of their clinics…some in rural Arizona. Do you think everyone has the means to travel? Maybe…maybe not.

    You are pro-killing babies. You are pro-choice…you are against protection for the unborn. In fact as you said…you are pro-late term abortions. No grannie…your pro- all the way.
     
  2. zimo

    zimo New Member

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    Tell that to the eaten babies.
     
  3. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Or they can just use a wire hanger. One of the more dangerous home methods. But then you think those women deserve to die don't you church? Did you deserve to die when you had an abortion too?
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The number of abortions obtained by women in this country was little changed by legalization. The number of illegal abortions was close to the number obtained after legalization. The same is true in other countries, some countries where abortion is illegal have a higher abortion rate than the US.

    If women cannot drive farther, they will get internet drugs and take them with no medical supervision. Or they will find an illegal abortionist. There you go again...twisting things. I am not pro-killing babies. I am pro-choice and one good reason to be pro-choice is the realization that women will have abortions whether they are legal or not, and illegal abortions kill and maim women.
     
  5. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    The best way to actually prevent abortions is to start addressing the reasons women have them. It is a fact that amongst all groups of women abortion has gone down in recent years however it has gone up amongst women who are poor. One of the number one reasons women have abortions is due to financial problems. Solve that issue and you'll likely see a drop in abortions amongst poor women. Look at the other reasons behind why women choose abortion and address those issues too.

    No you will not be able to stop abortion forever because some women simply don't ever want to be parents, but you can decrease it amongst women who felt pushed into having one due to the circumstances in their life.
     
  6. churchmouse

    churchmouse New Member

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    propaganda used the pro-death to babies crows. Even PP said that the coat hanger abortion did not happen that often. Come on get educated. If they want to abort and kill themselves then…they have that right. Drug users….should we make it illegal to even get over the counter drugs because there are high rates today of kids killing themselves? No that is absurd. People are going to want to do what they want to do. You can't make something legal to save the few who would do it.


    Get educated….


    "Even as late as October, 2001, Planned Parenthood former executive director Diane Booth, claimed that, "Before the legalization of abortion under Roe v. Wade, one-third of gynecological ward hospital beds in the United States were filled with women who were there because of botched, illegal, back-alley abortions." Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder in the 1960s of the National Abortion Rights Action League (but now a pro-life convert), knowingly fabricated the falsehood that "tens of thousands" of women died each year from abortion. At that time, Nathanson admitted that he and his NARAL colleagues pulled that number "out of thin air. We knew it was a powerful and compelling lie and we used it shamelessly" (Aborting America, 1979)."

    "What is currently being described as back-alley abortions were in fact nothing more than back-office abortions. They were executed in back offices of doctors. This has been admitted by no less than Mary Calderone, a former president of Planned Parenthood. The July 1960 American Journal of Health quotes her as saying that "90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians." So on the admission itself of the world`s largest private provider of abortions, when abortion became legal, back-office abortions became front-office abortions. It would logically follow, therefore, that legalizing abortion brought no significant improvement in safety for women. ( I can just hear the pro-aborts: "What does logic have to do with anything?")"

    http://www.knightsite.com/kc9496/unborn62.htm
     
  7. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Stop trying to confuse the issue with logic. The right does not want to hear this. Cause the right is always right. Right?
     
  8. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    Don't have unprotected sex unless you want a child!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please...the wire coat hanger thing is just a SYMBOL. It symbolizes illegal abortion in all its forms, everything from actual coat hangers or knitting needles to chemicals. In the case of abortion it is not just a few who would do it.


    Please do get educated...

    It's true that a goodly number of illegal abortions were performed by doctors. It's also true that a goodly number were performed by medical students, nurses, grocery store butchers, and other unqualified criminals. Legalizing abortion brought a significant improvement in safety for women.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97may/abortion.htm

    LEGALIZING abortion was a public-health triumph that for pregnant women ranked with the advent of antisepsis and antibiotics. In 1971, the year after decriminalization, the maternal-mortality rate in New York State dropped 45 percent.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    This would be great if protection were cheaper, more easily accessible to people and also did not have any sort of failure rate. Ah, someday we'll get there...
     
  11. Archer0915

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    GEEEE? Don't the health departments give it away? Also pills to prevent pregnancy and condoms to prevent disease. Used together chances of failure are almost zero.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Not in the US they don't just give away birth control and certainly not hormonal birth control, you need a prescription for that and it can cost upwards of $50 a month without insurance.

    Also many women are allergic to hormonal birth control or it makes them sick. I for example can't take it because it makes me completely nauseated all day.

    Condoms break for a variety of reasons all the time as well.
     
  13. Archer0915

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    Does not medicaid and insurance cover birth control? I honestly feel that if one tries not to get pregnant they will not. This includes not having sex at peek fertility times.
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember. . .it is the men who wear condoms!
    How about asking THEM to "afford them," and to "use them appropriately!" It would not only prevent many abortions, it would also prevent STD's.
    And what about the MEN who believe "they know better" and will "withdraw in time?"
     
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    Not everyone is covered by medicaid, and not everyone has insurance.
     
  16. Archer0915

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    Well if they fall into that group they should at least pick up a rubber. There are just too many excuses and little accountability.
     
  17. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    True, however I do believe that birth control is one of those things that should be provided.


    Conservatives often:
    Oppose the programs to provide affordable birth control
    Oppose the abortions that area product of unaffordable/unavailable birth control
    Oppose the social programs that are required to care for the babies that would otherwise not exist
     
  18. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    I agree
     
  19. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the CDC, teen pregnancy rates in the USA are currently the lowest they've ever been since we started measuring them.

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    Oops. So much for the "Sex education just encourages those sluts to have more unprotected sex!" mantra.
     
  20. highlander

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    Does that mean they are all going down??

    Well I suppose that one method!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    Does that mean they are all going down??

    Well I suppose that one method!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    Unfortunately rubbers do not always work and although they stop some pregnancies the pregnancies that DO happen are unwanted pregnancies
     
  23. Archer0915

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    And whose fault is that. More excuses and no accountability.
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Need more condom trees................:D

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  25. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Ummmmm - the MALE this time???

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