How does Trump beat Clinton?

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  1. Jim Nash

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    Apparently he's a good 20% down in a head to head. Bookmakers in the UK have him at about 25% to beat Clinton. It doesn't look promising.

    What are the circumstances in which he can win? Or is it basically a done deal, in all reality? I'm curious to hear real ideas, not just pro-Trump rhetoric. I speak as one who'd celebrate for a month if he made it.
     
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    he needs capital plans, not social plans.
     
  3. Balto

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    For starters, Trump needs to stop with the egotistical and cocky-driven answers like, "Everybody is going to love me" and "Everybody will like what I do. I promise," and actually start giving substantive answers for once. Something he still has to do since he announced his bid for president.
     
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    Their numbers have been closing since the race started, slowly but surely. Some polls have them about even some have him ahead some have him just barely behind.
    You should at least look at vegas.
     
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    He's started hiding more of his personality, which will be a big help. And I think it is important to remember how much of a role running mates can play in closing the gap. If he picks one of the more popular Republicans that ran against him, and they accept, he may actually stand a chance.
     
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    There are a number of reasons and I'll go through them.

    1. Bernie Sanders isn't going to win the nomination. This will leave one outsider on the floor for the election.

    2. Hillary vs Sanders has been a series of passive debates. Trump will slam her for everything she has voted for and spoke in favor of.

    3. Millennials hate Hillary because she is everything in their minds that created all of the problems. Iraq, Libya, Syria, and a multitude of war favoritism. She is given donations from Super PACs directly linked to the Banks&Corporations that control key bureaucrats.

    4. Once the insults/generalizations/labels have skimped by in the debates Hillary has zero ammo against Trump. Trump has handled every attack and weathered the storm. Hillary hasn't been attacked yet 'Trump style'.

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    There is a difference between Trump & his competitors. They lay out these detailed plans and never act on them once elected. Trump is coming into the game ignorant of the correct decisions and approaches with I'll be advised on it rather than making on the spot assumptions.
     
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    The most recent poll has Clinton ahead by 13 points.
     
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    Trump comes out with abstract, empty promises that are purely unrealistic. You have to be a clueless noob to think Mexico will actually pay for the wall, in its entirety, or that every Muslim will be banned out of the country. We know neither of those are realistic measures, but to people who don't really want to think these things out, those people will find these empty promises appealing.
     
  9. JakeJ

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    :roll:

    There is no reason to care about your pointless curiousity. You folks in the UK really don't need to worry about. Take care of your own messed up country. We'll fix ours.

    What is interesting is how vastly important the USA is and how vastly unimportant the UK is anymore. I bet 95% of people in the UK can name the US president. I bet not 1% of Americans could name the head of the UK government. Maybe you should devote your mental energy into how to make your country more relevant. :roflol:

    But to answer your question, Sanders campaign shows just how sick and tired a majority of Americans are of the status quo of government - and that is who Hillary is, plus she is very much a target rich environment for a political kill artist like Trump. The Sanders-Trump movements prove people want MAJOR change. Trump just has to keep doing what he's doing.

    Remember, he started at 1% even among Republicans. Hillary at nearly 80% among Democrats. Every month Trump goes up in polls. Every month, Hillary goes down. So her doom is just a matter of time. Trump just has to keep being Trump and not let political zippy pinheads talk him into changing.
     
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    The same people said Hillary was going to win Michigan and Indiana...
     
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    Polls are a snapshot, so there is a chance that Trump may win.

    But to answer your question, three things have to happen:
    1. the Dem platform negates any serious discussion on jobs and how to improve the economy. This has to go beyond the political rhetoric which Clinton and Trump lay out plans to create jobs with Trump being better at the job speech;
    2. Bernie Sanders supporters actually vote for Trump; AND
    3. Conservatives and the "#NeverTrump" group either stay home or vote for Trump.

    I don't see #1 and #2 happening any time soon, but the ball does bounce funny in the last two minutes of the game. I am preparing for both, either a Trump or a Clinton presidency.
     
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    Rubio? Seems far fetched after all the bloodletting, but a young and quasi-trendy Latino would be a godsend.
     
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    To be fair, the UK will be much more decent of a country, much less a laughable and weak one, if Trump wins the presidency.
     
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    If Trump wins and demands that members of NATO, which includes the UK, to ante and pay up to the US for US defense, then UK is most certainly going to care. UK is one of our closest allies in the world. Pissing them off could have devastating effects economically to both countries.

    But then again, your post shows how clueless you are when it comes to international affairs.
     
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    Wasn't it last Fall when every so-called Political Expert was saying that Trump didn't have a chance in hell of being the GOP nominee?

    Every single poll had him in the gutter.

    Nobody has yet to attack Shrillary by pointing out her total lack of credentials and her ongoing history of lying and corruption. Trump did a pretty good job of beating out 16 GOP opponents so what makes everybody think he can't beat the Hildabeast?

    :salute:
     
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    You overestimate Trump's debating ability. Dodging questions and insulting his opponent is not going to work in the general election.

    Every poll that has been conducted has shown Clinton leading Trump by massive margins among Millennials.

    She has plenty of ammo. His policies are extremely erratic and have been rejected by just about every expert.

    So far, Trump has shot himself in the foot every time he has tried to attack a woman.
     
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    That 20 points is based on polls that aren't talking to the newly registered
     
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    It's this kind on redneck xenophobia that worries me. If it represents his core support he's in trouble. He needs to appeal beyond the cabbageheads and reach into the mainstream, alongside women and Latinos.
     
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    I'd expect new voters to break along current polling lines. Can't imagine why they'd break for Trump.
     
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    Here's why Trump will beat Clinton:

    Donald Trump’s big victory in Indiana may be the death knell for Hillary Clinton. While Trump’s growing cadre of supporters know he is not the perfect candidate, they are bolstered by the fact that Clinton is so fatally flawed by her checkered past that a win in November is not only a real possibility but a virtual certainty. They also have an unlikely ally in Bernie Sanders whose unrelenting criticism of Clinton as a de facto disciple of Wall Street is weakening her support among the young whose concerns about the economy are real because they are well aware that the American middle class has been sold out by the political establishment she represents.

    Clinton is playing with a stacked deck of super delegates and Bernie Sanders has no hope against those double-dealing odds. Bernie Sanders is an interesting figure. He’s like that old uncle at family reunions that everyone likes. He’s a walking anachronism but he is affable and likeable and he sincerely believes in what he says. His supporters will not take kindly to the crooked game Clinton is playing. It’s extremely unlikely that they will be convinced en masse to throw in with Clinton especially if they see that she steals the nomination in a game that’s rigged in the same way Wall Street is rigged to steal their futures.

    Clinton is a severely tainted candidate. She is under investigation by the FBI for willful anticipatory obstruction of justice. She destroyed evidence she knew the FBI would be asking for by deleting emails that could pose a risk to national security because many were suspected to be in the top secret category. In the days of traitors like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning and highly trained professional military hackers from China and Russia, Clinton demonstrated a casual, self-serving arrogance that is unbefitting even a low level government official let alone a candidate for President of the United States.

    The investigation is ongoing and it is seriously being pursued by the FBI. Interestingly reports are surfacing of an amateur Romanian hacker, Marcel Lehel Lazar, who breached Clinton’s email server through Sydney Blumenthal’s AOL account. Lazar was extradited to the US from Romania and is currently jailed in Virginia for cyber- crimes. The mere fact that Lazar was extradited attests to the seriousness of the crimes and the connection to Clinton through Blumenthal portends that this is just the tip of the iceberg. The public must come to grips with the fact that Hillary Clinton is no Martha Stewart. Hillary’s alleged crimes could have put the national security of all Americans in jeopardy. This alone could be Hillary’s Waterloo.

    Now that Donald Trump has emerged as the sole remaining candidate on the Republican side Clinton will begin using surrogate media outlets to attack his personal conduct as a chauvinist and a philanderer. But this can’t work because her husband was a serial sexual predator who was impeached by the House of Representatives in 1998 for lying under oath and obstructing justice-obstructing justice has apparently been in the toolbox of both the Clintons since the beginning. While Bill was using the power of political office all the way back to Arkansas to attack vulnerable women, Hillary was the perfect female accomplice who stood by her man bullying and discrediting the victims. Hillary can blather on about equal pay for women but her well documented anti victim conduct over the years does not sit well with young women today who see her as almost demon like and view her as the embodiment of hypocrisy. The woodwork is virtually vibrating with victims lining up to tell their tales and tell their tales they will.

    Even if Clinton manages to use her connections to keep herself out of jail she is effectively finished as a candidate for the presidency. She is trying to run a political marathon with the refrigerator of her past strapped to her back. She is not qualified to sit in the White House as a world leader because she has more in common with Ma Barker than Margaret Thatcher.

    Donald Trump is going to be the next President of the United States. Bet on it.
     
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    1. He doesn't have to use base language anymore. All of Clinton's words are tainted. If he goes after in the same fashion but, not as brutish he will land plenty of solid blows. Hillary didn't want to debate Bernie of all people because she didn't like his tone.

    2. There are also polls showing Trump behind and in front. He only needs a portion not even half to win.

    3. What ammo? All of the policies he has brought forth have been challenged over and over. There are plenty of statistical facts in his favor.

    4. Crooked Hillary hasn't come out in bad taste. No one denies she is scum.
     
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    As noted, your reference to Trump being "down 20" is folly. The average is about 6, but the credible recent polls are showing him now even, if not ahead by a couple.regardless,

    More importantly, Trump has been consistently beating the polls. That is, in the state primaries, the actual votes that he garners beat the polls by 5-10 points. That is "yuuuuge". At the same time, Hillary goes the opposite way. She under-performs the polls by 5 points.

    It is Trump's to win, or lose. He is the one in the driver's seat. Hillary can only hope, as she is the most defective candidate ever.
     
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    If Trump can keep the RPe/DPe away from his campaign and his cabinet he should be able to win the election and be an effective president.
     
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    How does Trump beat Clinton?

    Like a baby seal.
     
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    What a bizarre concept - that our allies - all who are vastly weaker than us and vastly more vulnerable to attack - can extort us into paying for their defense.

    Your post shows how much a chump you are willing to be. I bet your the kind of person who someone could hold a gun to their own head demanding your wallet or they'll kill themself and you'd do it. Trump is 100% correct about the absurdity of us paying to defend other countries, while slashing our military budget in regards to defending ourselves. Military alliances used to NEVER mean providing the military force FOR other countries. It meant THEY provide their OWN military forces in an alliance with your own military forces.

    Only idiots see ANY value in a military alliance that means the allies no longer need a viable military force because you are going to provide one to them for free with your own troops and money. That isn't an alliance at all. It's just being gullible idiots.
     

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