How hard is teaching.

Wow. Share how you really feel.

 

Teachers in K-12 are not given the freedom to really teach. They are provided curriculum and told to stick with it. The only teachers who are free to "try" something are the special education teachers. Even in private schools, the style of teaching is defined and confined by the adopted image of the school.

I've always thought that was a shame. Kids have different ways of learning, and while a teacher may know what would be successful with a child, they are not free to use it unless it is condoned by administration.

Currently, there has been a prohibition in California for teachers to address their class, "boys and girls". They are instructed to call them students. Don't want to confuse anyone, don't ya know.

 

50 years ago they placed students in tracts. All the quick ones were tracked together, all the slow ones were tracked together, and the average ones were tracked together. The speed of the class, and the method of instruction was appropriate. It was done away with because of reasons of discrimination. But what we have now is a slower kid afraid to ask questions and being left behind, while a quick kid grows bored and under performs.

It's another instance of a society that cares more what people think of them than the quality of their product.

 

Blah blah, more agitprop, uninformed and typical nonsense.

Got anything of actual value to add to this conversation, like perhaps addressing all the valid points I raised above, instead of using provocative and incendiary language to avoiud making an actual POINT?

 

Too much diatribe and bias here...hard to comment...

 

Well...what about the parents, students, taxpayers, facilities, technology, systems, society, government...it requires lot of entities to tango!!

 

Your first point was blaming parents, which I addressed. It's a blame game you're playing, and that's fine if you can't do the job because of X,Y, or Z, but that's just saying you can't do the job.

Your second point is blaming the tax payers who are the consumers of this education product. They have certain conditions that they want met, and you admit that because of those conditions, teachers can't do the job.

Your third point is blaming administration and the unions. Yes, well, those admins are teachers who got promoted out of the ranks (I did mention this in the post you are referring to), and the teachers do belong to the unions so teachers can't blame either of those things on anybody but themselves.

In other words, I addressed all your points by calling them what they are. Just lame excuses to say "teachers in America can't teach American students".

 

Thank you for validating my point...

 

You named all the people that the school system works for. They can be a good person if they try. I mean the workers in the school system.

 

Didn't read thread. School teacher is a fine job for those people who do it, and relatively low on the "job difficulty" scale like most civil service. Almost all private sector jobs are more difficult than almost all public sector jobs, including police and fire. Walk into most any site of public employment, local, state, federal, doesn't matter, to see 10 people doing the work of 3-5 private sector employees... all the while getting equivalent pay and superior benefits.

Nice scam if you can work it.

 

It is difficult, not necessarily impossible for all subjects. Scantron is just another obsolescent technology. We should be constantly developing better testing technologies.

Not in all subjects. But I think you underestimate how good a multiple choice item can be.

OK, but the question is, does the test measure what we want kids to learn? Is it VALID?

Why do you think it is impossible just because it hasn't been done by your school district?

I guarantee you that school does not get those results without measuring student learning. They are just teaching to better tests.

Google "typical schools in Muslim countries" and start reading.

 

You offered nothing but blaming educators, easily dismissed for the agitprop nonsense and typically batch of non arguments and non points.

Admins are promoted teachers? Now you've proven yoy dont know jack (*)(*)(*)(*) about education. To be an administrator nowadays all you need is an MBA. Nothing at all to do with education.

Hilarious to (*)(*)(*)(*)ter your flopping nonpoints, though.

 

at least you gave me a new word for the day. Anyway, I don't blame educators for failing to educate students. They were hired to do a job, and they have admitted that they are incapable of doing the job. If tax payers want to continue paying them, then I don't blame teachers for that.

ho-hum... Well we obviously disagree. That's okay, I won the debate anyway.

toodalooo, snookums.

 

Why don't you try it and find out.

 

You don't have to be a practicioner to administrate. If you're a good administrator.

 

No. Really. You proved you know nothing about education. Won? Lmao. Sure. You win the I don't know anything about education naward. Congratulations.

 

One of the largest problems in the business world is people who have no idea what the (*)(*)(*)(*) the job entails being in control of the job itself.

I see it every single day.

People who have no idea what the job they manages entails.

So no, I disagree that to administrate you just need to know how to administrate. Moreover I find it hilarious that some folks claim teaching is easier then most private sector jobs. Lmao. Sure. Just more proof they know nothing about it at all.

 

Teachers are doing nothing to help themsleves by saying all of this. You shouldn't attack the public. You should bring solutions.

 

I'm not a teacher, so I don't really understand the context. I am assuming, though, the slant you're taking, is the one I've been railing against, an uninformed and hypocritical public who wants to take no responsibility for itself.

Here are your solutions;

Stop expecting Teachers to also be parents, because the public (composed of parents) at large places entirely too large of an amount of this burden on teachers, and then complains when it goes awry.

Stop blameshifting and scapegoating, and take responsibility for the fact that the public at large has devalued the family unit, and devalued itself, and expected others to take up the slack for them.

Stop pointing fingers at the cogs in the machine and address the entire machine. Teachers don't make public policy. The PUBLIC and its elected officials do. It's the whiney, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing, uninformed PUBLIC that institutes idiotic policy, but the teachers are blamed for it.

Stop letting politicians, like GWB, institute public policy that stops teachers from being Teachers, and enables them to FAIL bad students.

Stop enabling a lazy, whining, crying, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing tax base who insist on slashing benefits, while using the above against people who have no control over the policies the tax payers dislike.

And for the love of all that is unholy, STOP promoting misinformed, malodorous opinions and thoughts that do not consider the context.

 

This MEME sums it up rather nicely.

 

So you've said a lot. Share some solutions now. You're the administrator. What do YOU do?

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Or you're the Governor, Mayor, whatever. You're in charge. What's next.

 

This is a big ol mess lol. I think that teachers don't get that even if citizens understand their side, which we do, they still just can't give up. Who gives up? I don't get it. If they give up then quit. But don't just take the paycheck and benefits for the rest of your life. That's what is one of the things that get to tax payers.

 

End no child left behind, cap incoming foreign students at a very small percentage, distributed throughout every local school and not concentrated in one area. Eliminate tenure, increase salaries on merit pay and encourage districts paying teachers well to entice the best and brightest, and enable and encourage them to eliminate the worst, reform tort and legalese that holds teachers accountable for traditionally parental roles, eliminate safe spaces and other sordid nonsense via restructuring of the board of EDU, cut waste by eliminating at least half of administrative functions.

Eliminate ever expanding continuing education requirements for all teachers. Eliminate mediocre degree acceptance for administrative functions. Finally, eliminate the outdated use of gas guzzling busses, and replace them with fuel efficient vehicles that run on either natural gas, or a rail system. As it stands now, the public is hardly even aware of how much of their tax dollars actually go to the gasoline in busses vrs the income of educators.

 

Read above. The teachers aren't the problem. The problem is public policy, the tax payers themselves, and the outdated models through which education is structured. And yes, I can provide proof for my assertions. No, I won't bother posting them here, because fake unsupported news is treated as gold standard now.