How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition

If bearded cave dwellers (Musilms who liked lap dances, alcohol, like the supposed hijackers did) actually did this, they had help. That only stands to reason. Our military isn't that inept, even in 2001, and even with President Doofis in charge.

 

None of the hijackers ever dwelt in caves.

 

If I gave you 100 planes, already in the air over the United States and I ask you to find flight 111 flying New York to LAX without a transponder and off route you couldn't find it in 5 hours it would take to get to LA. Because American Airspace is big and planes are small. Look up at about 11am today to see the number of planes you can see. There will likely be between 4000-5000 flights in the air at that time. Probably more. It will give you a sense of how hard it is to find a stray plane.

Can you explain what you think the military should have done?

 

It's amazing how fantasy evolves in the mind of truther.

But it's no wonder.

They recycle hyperbole over and over in debate and among themselves in an attempt to sustain argument ad absurdum until at last they begin to believe the absurd.

 

"It's like staring into the Sun, except it's made of stupid."

 

The diary of a troll. Like I said, you whine about having an "honest" conversation, and how the "shills and OCTA's" stand in the way of having a quality conversation. In this one post you have labeled every meme, and you blatantly did it because I spoke against it. Like a teenage child that feels the need to back talk, you don't actually work towards the truth. You just need the last word, and to "stick it" to the opposition. You know this crap has been debunked, you're not that stupid. However, it's the confrontation that you enjoy so much.

 

http://www.jod911.com/WTC COLLAPSE STUDY BBlanchard 8-8-06.pdf

controlled demolition Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....wait had to wipe the tears from my eyes....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"Fire cannot bring down steel-framed high rises — period."

This quote at face value when applied to the twin towers is a joke. A rational and thinking person would understand that it wasn't just fire. Planes stuck each building causing massive structural damage, creating raging raging fires on multiple floors and then of course, my favorite, an awesome yet subtle force, gravity. When you can be honest and realize that it was more than just fire, then maybe you will start to see how foolish your Whackjob theories are.

 

This only shows you're a country bumpkin who has never been to NYC. They don't roll up the sidewalks at night like in your town. Delivery trucks, work crews, technicians, maintenance staff are going in and out 24/7, and lots of them. The complex was like a small city unto itself. People don't know or care what you are doing.

And they didn't have to "sneak" in. Guess what? Marvin Bush's company had the security contract, which means total access 24/7.


http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1096stratesec#a1096stratesec

 

And they didn't have to "sneak" in. Guess what? Marvin Bush's company had the security contract, which means total access 24/7.

No,they didn't

 

Wrong, Kroll INC was responsible for revamping security at the World Trade Center after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, you wanna try again?

oh ya, most people dont get their sources of a conspiracy forum and act as if it was fact. So try again.

 

Debunked by who? Cite your source. Why can't that be the criteria for your side, as well? Because your "theory" was stated first? How ridiculous is that but, that's your argument most of the time. You want an honest conversation? LET'S HAVE ONE.

I'll even let you pick a point first. I'll respond, then you'll respond to mine. Agreed? I'll answer in the same fashion that you choose to answer mine with. Fair enough?

Go ahead. Let's see if this is possible (I know it isn't but, just for the sake of argument).

 

The irony here is that it would have been much easier to (*)(*)(*)(*) the muslims off enough to attack us and then just stay out of the way so they could. No complex conspiracy involving govt agents and faking evidence is necessary.

 

In your OPINION. Correct? I wouldn't normally be such a stickler for details but, some seem to insist on it quite regularly so, apparently, that's the standard we all have to follow.

 

In all honesty, I think you know you are full of it but you have some psychological need to make yourself and others believe the BS you post.

 

Ahh...back to the insult category. So nice. I knew you were totally serious.

 

First off, a lot of the hijackers didn't have beards. I am not going to source this one, as you could find it by just googling them. They also didn't live in caves. If you follow the wikipedia sources found here you will see that Atta had no beard, and they lived in an apartment in Germany.

There you go, evidence they are not bearded, nor cave dwellers.

But they weren't failed pilots, all of the pilots had completed certifications for flight. They had enough experience to sit behind the controls and fly them into buildings. You, 'fraud, could have flown those planes into the buildings once they got in the air. As long as you can press the power to full and steer...you're good to go. However, "]here are several different articles referring to their abilities.

Maybe CJ can help with this one? I am not to sure on the timelines, but I know CJ has spent countless hours tackling stuff like that, he would know better.

You have already been debunked on that one, previously in this thread. Your own incredulity stops you from believing that the angle the plane hit at, and the speed it was going will cause debris to be scattered in the direction the plane was going. I know you might not like that as an answer, but those are the facts and the evidence. There is nothing contrary to that, unless you can provide something.

This has been tackled ad nauseum. The planes didn't vaporize. There were vast amounts of all 4 planes located, and researched. You can find pictures to them...anywhere. However, that isn't the problem, is it 'Fraud? Your belief is that the parts were planted by the gubmint, which I can't disprove, because it would be impossible. So there are plane parts, there are engine parts (some hanging in the museum), but none of that matters to you, because you believe it's all planted.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, the only building that had fallen with no resistance was building 7, and that was only for a fraction of the total time. Also, it was admitted too, and explained by the NIST.

I'm sure there were a ton of explosions before the collapse, but explosions don't mean explosives. The building was jam packed full of things that can explode. Fire extinguishers, transformers, and on and on. This is why we request that you provide evidence. I can't provide evidence for the explosions since it could be so many things. What I can say is that they found no explosive residue in the dust, and no det cord or transmitters. With the cell phone and radio traffic, combined with the fires there is no way any explosives would have been able to live. And if they did go off, why didn't they go off when the building collapsed? Listen to Kevin Cosgrove's phone call. He is on the phone until the second the building collapses. You can hear his voice perfectly, and when the building collapses he screams "OH GOD." However, there were zero explosions around him that could be heard. We both know that any explosive that went off would be loud as hell.

Ok, I've replied to a few details. You can pick whichever one of those you would like and we can continue to discuss. I never insulted you, or was even rude. I expect a response in kind.

 

As an added addendum, most of the members of the Hamburg Cell were more highly educated than the vast majority of Truthers. I know that probably get's in the way of their racist bearded cave dwellers meme, but so be it.

 

The big picture here is that RWF, and truthers and general don't care about details. They care about the big picture, and their big picture is a delusion that exists primarily due to their lack of attention to details.

RWF continually repeats the bearded cave dweller claim, not because he thinks Muslims all live in caves. It's because he thinks people who would blame Atta and the rest are racists. That fact that he's being racist completely eludes him.

I'm quite sure that the bearded cave dweller claim started as an attempt to mock the opponents of the truther movement that has been told so many times that RWF actually believes that it's really his opponent's claim. The fiction supports his belief that 9/11 didn't happen the way he was told, and it supports his belief that people who oppose him are racists. It's a double whammy that you're not going to overcome by pointing out silly little details like the truth.

 

Four of the 19 had what would be called beards,the trimmed,western styles, not the full on osama mullah beards,and a couple had mustaches....that's it

 

Again, I'll bet you a buck it's not about the facial hair to him. I'll bet you another buck that there's not much you can do to convince him not to trot out the beard cave dweller at some point in the future. The claim itself is about his presumption that you are a racist. It's what passes as humor among people who are oblivious to their own prejudices. The same people will vomit up pleasantries like, "9/11 was orchestrated so that rednecks could bomb brown people" or taunts involving "da joos" etc. Hatred is quite in vogue among folks that'll swear up and down that they are open minded and progressive. They feel justified in their intolerance because they think they are sticking up for a minority or an oppressed demographic. Logic and reason in stereotypes notwithstanding.

How many times has RWF linked to sites touting content he hasn't even read and then acted shocked that we would accuse him of the craziness the site espoused?

The details are useless to him. They have to be in order to support the fantasy. Pointing the details out to him won't make a difference. He'll just assume you're lying, shilling, or trying to confuse him. He's made that point quite clear.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the only way to engage someone who's mind works this way is to address the big picture. Of course, for those who's big picture is: anything and everything that emanates from mainstream thought is a lie, well that's quite a challenge, isn't it?

How do you appeal to someone so irrational in a rational way?

 

Reading the back and forth here from last night, I'm more convinced than ever that Fraud is joking or trolling.

His latest? Supposedly he's a self-employed IT specialist who builds his own computers. In another section he claims he doesn't own or use a cell phone. Maybe not impossible, but remarkably strange.

He links to no-plane sites, never calls down his team mates (all of them rabid no-planers) and derails even the threads he starts.

It's a Fraud. It has to be.

 

They weren't cave dwellers
They were trained pilots
Nothing magical about the flights
Changing timelines could be the chaos of the day
Give evidence (real evidence not truther evidence) for fake radar blips
Engines weren't miles away
No planes were vaporized
Not even close to "free fall speeds" in fact in every collapse debris was falling much faster than the building
No explosions prior to collapses

Why do you not want to learn facts.

 

Shoot,I've built all my computers I've owned,Fraud isn't special..

 

I respectfully disagree. I think Fraud is quite special.

 

LoL disgusting

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