How many genders are there?

YOU don't get to DICTATE to other members which posts they can and cannot respond to because this is an OPEN debate forum.

 

That's obvious.

I strongly suggest, that when I post something that is not about you, and you respond as if it were, that you do not reply to it.

It's a reasonable suggestion, for christ's sakes.

Chill out.

 

YOU don't get to dictate HOW I choose to respond to your posts.

I used myself to ILLUSTRATE the POINT that I was making AFTER you had posted a FALLACY. I also INCLUDED factual DATA to support my point.

Not my problem if YOU failed to grasp the point.

Sad!

 

Absolutely!!!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-does-critical-race-theory-teach.589535/

 

No! Read the OP. There are different combinations, but that is a very small part of my arguments.

 

All I am saying is that it's a fact. How it improves society? I guess it allows us to understand the LGBTQ community a bit better.

They choose one of the other because it's a social norm to choose one or the other. But physically they are neither. And there are many others who are born with full male of female sex organs who are also not physically either sex. Society can choose to force a binary sex denomination on them. But science is unable to support it as a physical fact.

Scientific fact is scientific fact. Science doesn't care about politics. Science has no say on whether the facts improve society or not. Whatever we do with the facts is up to us. Science teaches, for example, that we can split an atom and obtain almost limitless energy. It doesn't tell us if the knowledge will be used to kill millions, or to save millions of lives. It just gives us the facts as they are.

And all science is saying at this point, is that the old binary sex paradigm cannot be supported by scientific inquiry. That's all.

 

I just told you I dictated NOTHING.

Get over it.

 

CRT is not fact based. Its assumption based. Science deals with facts. Not assumptions.

 

I've read the OP. And that is what it boils down to. If it doesn't then feel free to show me how it doesn't. Show me what am I missing?

 

And that there is the horrifying truth.

 

We could all end this tomorrow I don't know why people don't.

 

While YOU ignore YOUR own advice?

Priceless!

 

I just sent you a link to the thread where I gave a very small sample (there are literally hundreds) of the many studies, analysis and facts that exist, in which the precepts of CRT are demonstrated, and all you can respond boils down to "those studies you referenced don't exist"... No facts, studies or analysis... not even counter arguments. That clearly indicates that my case is made.

 

It's not as simple as a "combination" of male and female. It's more like a continuum. But it's even more complex than that given that they can overlap and even change throughout a person's life.

 

You are confused.

That, I cannot do anything about.

Now go pester someone else.

 

Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING your own "confusion" onto others.

Have a nice day!

 

What is your problem?

Spit it out.

 

I have a peculiar spiritual viewpoint on this, and for me, it points to two basic sexes.

Male and female are polarities, similar to electricity where there are degrees of positive and there are degrees of negative.

Certain sages have pointed out that, early in our spiritual evolution, we weren't sexual. But, to grow from a seed like state, we had to separate, male and female. For a species as complicated as higher organisms are, a unisex state can't do the job, so nature, via evolution, favored two sexes for the optimum survival of the species. The fact that man is attracted to woman is... and conversely woman attracted to man is a human's desire to become whole, again, as it once was in the primordial state. This is similar to electromagnetism of attracting opposite polarities.

I am pointing this out because when you assert there are more genders than male or female, it can't be or it isn't necessarily more complicated than electrons, there are just different degrees of each. If wires get crossed, just as that would be an error in a circuit, it would be an error in nature, and nature errs all the time. To err is human, it is natural. But the simple fact remains, there are really only two, spiritually and biological speaking. If some 'scientists' are arguing 'there are more' blah blah blah. Scientists disagree on facts all the time, and in my view, it's wokeness infecting the lenses they are looking at the facts through. You can show me an Xray of a male female brain all you want, but brains aren't all that different, not as much as other aspects of physiology, such as adam's apples, pelvic regions, muscular distribution, things like genitals, cervix, womb, uterus etc. Why are we denying the obvious? It's woke science and woke science is not science, it's politics. Even the word 'woman' comes from 'womb man'.

nature has anomalies abound, but those anomalies don't change the basic design of nature.

In electricity, there are degrees of positive, and there are degrees of negative, and there is the neutral point, zero voltage.

At zero voltage, the neutral point, current doesn't flow there. The only real neutral point in a human, it's similar, is death.

Now, some people are more male than other males, some males more effeminate than other males, and so, like electrons in a current, there are degrees of maleness just as there are degrees of positive.

Conversely, the same is true on the female side. But it doesn't change the basic design.

I do not see any point about 'many genders' that has a material benefit to society, but to mess up what has worked for hundreds of thousands of years.

Now, spiritually speaking, in is my spiritual belief that there two regions, the physical, and the spiritual. A physical body is either male or female, 99.5% of the time. Spiritually, we are on an upward evolution towards what the ancients call 'nirvana' or 'samadhi' or 'enlightenment'. These exalted states are neutral, but the higher harmonic of death, where, in death, everything stops in the physical, and teh soul moves on to reincarnate, find another womb to be born from. But, in this evolution of soul, we are still male and female there, but we are on a long polarity sine wave. We spend several life times as male, the polarity within gradually, like a slow moving pendulum, ie, the 'sine wave' move towards the other polarity, and spiritually we gradually become the other polarity, and which point the soul seeks the other sex to be reincarnated, It is the region near the neutral point, where it is easy for a soul, still slightly on the male side, to accidentally be pulled to a female body, if that female body has some more than usual masculinity, and this explains why we have gay people and androgynous people. But ,as the soul progress more and more to the opposit polarity nature become less likely to mismatch the polarity of the soul with the physical gender. Science is not sophisticated enough, it lacks the instrumentation to percieve things spiritual, so on this subject, it is bound to err on 'data' and 'facts'. That is my opinion, of course, based on my spiritual beliefs. Of course, I could be wrong.

That's my explanation for it all, anyway.

I don't see the point, for society, of confusing the matter of male and female. it works just fine, as it is.

Why blow a good thing up?

That makes no sense to me.

 

These are YOUR words.

That is YOUR problem, NOT mine!

 

Apparently you're unable to answer a simple question, and you accuse me of having a problem?

Now there's a text book case of projectionism.

 

Nope!

It is YOU that is "confused" because you CANNOT differentiate between the SEXES and GENDERS.

So that is YOUR problem that YOU are erroneously PROJECTING onto me.

Sad!

 

I understand. And I would never try to undermine your spiritual beliefs.

It makes sense to transgender people, though. Based on the science available at this point, I would not be the one to contradict their beliefs either. Spiritual or otherwise.

 

Well, even Transgenders pick one of the two. I'm okay with that if they are successful in the Transformation. I've met a few transfemales who were absolutely amazing in their transformation, I couldn't tell until they told me. But, if a trans looks and sounds like a man in drag, I don't feel any responsibility to call them female. If someone is a man in drag, which is to say, a Transvestite, a cross-dresser I'm okay with that if they are honest about it. But, if they want me to call them 'female', they are being dishonest. The healthy thing to do is accept who and what you are.

Some males want to be female because if they were, they would no longer be gay, so that tells me they hate themselves, and this wanting to be a female is an attempt to escape who they are, which is a gay male. For me, that is not being honest. However, if they are successful in the transformation, realizing that accomplishing it takes a tremendous amount of effort, patience, and determination, and they are convincing, that is when I will meet them half way, I will call them female if they can do it. But, all else, gay men should just be honest with who they are. I am, about myself.

For me, it's about honesty.

Where my beef is with those who are 'non binary'. In my view, the only persons who can claim 'non binary' are intersex, the one in 2000 anomolies of nature.

That being said, my opinion on the subject is derived from a spiritual view. Moreover, I don't believe it conflicts with science.

I can give you an analogy, in music. Now, music is something I know a lot about, I have been a composer for 50 years, have published songs and earn ASCAP royalties. It's not a lot, but my songs have been on TV, and performed in major venues.

Okay, here's the thing, there is a science to music, and it has to do with pitches, vibrations, harmonics, cycles, harmony, and so forth.

So, check it out, one musicologist could assert there are an infinite number of chords. Another one could assert there are essentially only two chords, and yet another could assert there are essentially only three.

Who would be right? For one, every variation begets a new chord. For another, chords are defined by the first two intervals ( in the chord stack ) and they are predominantly major or minor, hence two chords ( and all variants are variants of major and minor ) and the third guy would assert there are basically three chords, because they are looking at four note chords to define what chords are, instead of 3 notes, and if we define chords extended to four notes, ( 1, 3, 5, 7 ) then there are essentially three chords, major, minor, and dominant, and all others are variants of these three.

All of them would be correct. Because, the answer has only do to with how one looks at music. There is no one correct answer to the question 'how many chords are there'.

Scientifically speaking, there can't be a single answer, because it depends solely on how one looks at it and one can look at it a number of ways.

That is why I suspect the so called 'science' on 'gender' has a lot do with not with 'fact' but how one looks at the facts.

That is why I don't accept your premise in the sense of you are using 'science' to prove your point. My view is that science doesn't prove your point. The subject of gender identity is mentally derived, not physically derived. Same with chords, whether it's 'infinite' or 'two' or 'three' that is mentally derived.

 

No, it's not about 'facts' its about interpretation.

Nature produces two sexes. Intersex is an anomaly, occuring about one in 2000 in nature.

Those are the facts, any other interpretation of the above is derived mentally, not physically.

It's not about you, it's about reality. One can accept reality, or bend it for expedience because one cannot accept reality.

 

100% WRONG again!

YOU do NOT know whether they are are trans or not so YOU are making a FALSE accusation of DISHONESTY!

Many crossdressers are TRANS which is WHY they NEED to EXPRESS their FEMININE side via crossdressing.

YOU have NO MEANS of KNOWING what their GENDER actually is UNLESS they TELL YOU.

What is DISHONEST to accuse them of LYING when YOU have NO PROOF that they are lying.

Anyone who has already been through male puberty is going to have certain aspects of themselves that require SURGERY to alter. One of those is their VOICE. It requires extremely precise and delicate operations in order to TIGHTEN vocal chords so as to RAISE the pitch of the voice from the male range to the female range. The cost of doing so OUT OF POCKET is not something the average person can afford.

But you DEMAND that they MUST do so in order to COMPLY with YOUR personal STEREOTYPE of what a woman MUST be otherwise you will ACCUSE them of being a LIAR?

WTF?

ACCEPTING themselves is HEALTHY irrespective of YOUR irrelevant OPINION of them.

What is UNHEALTHY is setting UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS of OTHERS that YOU have no RIGHT to DEMAND they must meet.

What is DISHONEST is to DENY the SCIENTIFIC DATA that does PROVE the EXISTENCE of transgenderism.

Going by YOUR definition of "DISHONESTY" above that statement is dishonest.

/sigh

There is DNA and BIOLOGICAL evidence that SUBSTANTIATES the PHYSICAL aspects of transgenderism.

That you REFUSE to accept that DNA and BIOLOGICAL evidence does not NOT mean that it magically disappears.

WHY don't YOU actually do some RESEARCH into the DNA and BIOLOGICAL evidence instead of just DENYING that it EXISTS?

The OP has met the obligation of providing the Scientific Data.

The ONUS is NOW on YOU to DISPROVE that Scientific Data.

Your "view" does NOT matter.

ONLY the Scientific Data matters.