How to respond to Israeli destruction of homes?

Oh crap! I am sorry Ronstar. I didn't even read the link before opening my big mouth. I just assumed by the subject title that it was about something else. Please accept my apologies. Perhaps later I will respond to what your OP is actually about.

 

I am not sure that the USA should respond at all. Even the article said that the structures(not all of them homes) were built without first getting the proper construction permits. And I suppose also that no inspections were performed either. Where I live, if you do this, you will be stopped or the structure condemned. And if the UN participated in building these illegal structures, then shame on them. As for the part about Palestinians being prevented from getting building permits, it seemed more like gossip or an excuse than fact.

 

israel is notorious for refusing building permits for non-Jews.

meanwhile, Israel works tirelessly to find ways to give retro-active building permits to Jewish construction.

 

Considering Israel is a Jewish nation, that's not unreasonable to believe and accept. So what? There are several countries in the area that are palestinian-dominated nations. Israel has a right to give building rights to Jews if they want. The United States give housing loans to those that can pay them off. They don't to those that can't. Discrimination is a fact of life. Get over it.

 

So no retro active permits for Palestinians.....no Palestinians get building permits......you sure about that? This would actually make a good investigative report.

 

Ive never heard of any Palestinian ever getting a retro-active building permit.

However, Israel does this all the time for settlers.

 

How do we stop Israeli aggression (as it's the cause of Palestinian aggression)?

 

translation: "its anti-Semitic to criticize Jews".

 

it doesn't matter what it is. The jews have been picked on by everybody and your just going along with it. in my opinion thats bulllying. so israel has a right to put down those who bully them. stop picking on israel.

 

Exactly because everybody hates jews. I'm a jew and i play be the golden rule which is pretty popular here in America. if someone criticizes jews i pop um right in the mouth. and i'm still just a school boy. Israel is the last safe haven for jews to go. and lets see how long did it take israel to whoop six countries? as i recall 6 days. if the palestenians don't like it they can go to Iraq and get killed by some muslim freak.

 

Americans, in your law if someone is killed but the killer did it out of self-defense he is innocent. well that is exactly what israel did and you all pick on them. In my opinion that is very hypocritical. to accuse israel you will have to take that law out. In the squad i command most of the men think that anyone who accuses israel of stealing land is just a big bully. And as I recall we beqat 6 countries in 6 days. We also only agress the palestenians because they agress us. We are just using self-defense and according to your law are innocent. So when i hear that the USA drops there self-defense law there is no way you can be right.

 

do you know of ANY jurisdiction that allows building without permits?

Yes, getting building permits is difficult if you are a Palestinians in east Jerusalem - BY DESIGN (although some may deny this). Limit the number of buildings and you limit the number of people, particularly people who breed like rabbits on purpose.

What is also interesting is that the Palestinians who do build (with finance assistance from the UN and ngos') KNOW OF THIS POLICY, BUILD ANYWAY, AND THE COMPLAIN BITTERLY WHEN THE INEVITABLE HAPPENS.

does anyone know if arab Israeli citizens (as opposed to permanent residents) have the same difficult time getting building permits in east Jerusalem? or is it only those that refuse citizenship?

As for tearing down homes of "terrorists" (Israeli perspective) or "resistance fighters (Palestinian perspective) is actually against international law, specifically the Geneva convention wrt to collective punishment. But I suppose there is comfort in the fact that unlike many other occupiers, the Israelis are only tearing down houses, not rounding up Palestinians and executing them.

 

Great argument. One small hitch. Israel is in a state of belligerent military occupation of the west bank, Golan, east Jerusalem and gaza.
Israel signed the Geneva conventions binding them to this international treaty, therefore making acquisition and annexation of land thru military conquest illegal. Neo-Zionist religious motivations and legal rigmarole notwithstanding.

By expanding settlements on the west bank, Israel is stealing land that should be part of a Palestinian state. The strategy, so articulately defined by Sharon of "creating facts on the ground", is designed for annexation and realization of Eretz Yisroel. Regrettably living under constant threat buttresses right wing fearmongering and belligerence.

that being said, I also happen to believe the following:

If the Palestinians lay down their weapons there will be peace.
If the Israelis lay down their weapons there will be genocide.

 

Israel didn't gain it through conquest they gained when those countries declared war on them and they whooped them and gained that territory to show they were top dog. I do like the peace and genocide statement though, that was good.

 

There is fault on both sides, for sure. However, you cannot remove this current issue from the context of history. Israel was repeatedly attacked from militarily-advantageous geography so they seized that geography and, whether that seizure was right or wrong legally, we are where we are today because of those aggressive moves by Israel's neighbors in the past and those neighbor's consistent message of destruction.

I might be fully inclined to allow my neighbor to build on our joint property line from the moment I or he moves in but if he comes over and punches me in the face and tells me I'm going to give him the land, by God, we're going to fight and I'm going to defend every square centimeter of territory I can. Then suppose he later comes and suggests we make peace but every time I go outside, his children shoot at me or throw things at me and again threaten to destroy me if I don't give them what they want. I daresay I'd want to restrict my neighbor in every way possible, also.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the Palestinians and I would love to see peace but I really find it hard to side with them logically when elements of their own people continually act out aggressively and they appear to have no appreciation for their own role in perpetuating this debacle.

 

I agree, but palestenians continually act out and i think the option is just to kick them out. also in the USA they have the self-defense law so in our country we would expect to be treated that way. the golden rule is big over there and i think we need to apologize for everthing we said bad about them. plus Israel is not a invasive country like Russia is. they haven't invaded anybody since and are relatively peaceful.

 

Bibi has torn down very old homes that belonged to generations of the same Arab families to build subsidized apartment complexes for Haredi.

In the West Bank there are some 50 construction companies.. Jewish naturally with American silent partners..

The deck is stacked.. They want to force the rest of the Palestinians off the land.

 

Hopefully we keep sending them money to continue to push terrorists out.

Keep up the good work Israel

 

Israel is on a collision course.. They will either have a two state solution which is impossible at this point.. or they will have a one state solution and be outvoted the Arabs.. or they will become a theist dictatorship and initiate a final solution along the lines of Hitler's solution.

Bibi has never cared for the future of Israel.. only HIS future.

 

I wasn't aware that they were tearing down very old generational homes. Can you provide a link please?

that there are a number of construction companies residing in the west bank is not indicative of anything other than the settlers are into construction. Are you suggesting that an Israeli construction company in the west bank ONLY builds in the west bank?

I totally agree that the deck is stacked. Bibi is Likud after all.

 

Palestinian Terrorists are a clear and present danger. They should be bombed into mince meat.

A good Muslim terrorist is a dead Muslim terrorist.

 

sounds like a call for genocide, as you think all Palestinians are terrorists.

 

No, I am calling for the extermination of Palestinian Terrorists, not peace loving Palestinians who love Israel. Durrrr!

Peace loving Palis should be given Israeli citizenship as long as they agree to sign up to the Israeli army In order to hunt and kill the Palestinian terrorists. With the Pali Terror exterminated, there can finally be peace.

Jerusalem is and will remain the eternal capital of Israel, but we will be happy to give peaceful Palis the Gaza Strip in return for a deal on no Pali army.

 

so unless Palestinians are willing to fight for the ITF (Israel Terrorist Forces) they should not be offered citizenship?

that's absurd.

 

The houses being torn down in East Jerusalem are sometime 300-400 years old and the same Arab families lived in the for generations.. It was in all the news about a year ago. The new construction is packing Haredi Jews into subsidized apartments where they can walk on Sabbath. Bibi is unapologetic... This is part of the friction with the Obama administration. The last time Obama met with Bibi in the US to talk peace, Bibi whipped out his bloody plans and blueprints.

The 50 Jewish construction companies use US loan guarantees with grants to pay the interest to build Jewish only settlements with extremely low mortgage payments. Their partners are in the US and they lobby for the money.. It makes it possible for Israel to recruit settlers with lots of perks and benefits.

I spent several weeks researching it a couple of years ago.