How Will They Force My Unemployed Homeless New Friend to Buy Health Care Insurance

On Saturday, I got some new people over to my house to start a new Pathfinder campaign. I met them at the game store and the only thing I know about them are their names, phone numbers and email addresses.

Except that one of them, I will call him Carl, doesn't have an email address. And when I asked everyone to chip in for pizza, Carl told me he has no money. And his phone number isn't his phone, it is his friend's. And he has no home of his own, so he lives rent-free with his friend's. He told me that if his friend hadn't taken him in he'd be homeless. And he has no job.

Which is all fine, I'm willing to buy pizza for a guy who's so down-on-his-luck.

But it makes me wonder. How will the government force Carl to buy health care insurance? He can't afford food or a place to live or a phone, so how will he pay for healthcare insurance? And when they fine Carl for not buying healthcare insurance, how will he pay the fine? Will he go to jail when he can't pay the fine?

I would really like to know what happens to Carl when he doesn't buy health insurance. Would some Obamacare supporter please explain it to me?

And more importantly, from what clause in the Constitution gives the government the right to require Carl to buy healthcare insurance when he can't even chip in to buy a pizza?

 

Maybe research the law that you spend so much time whining about?

 

Isn't it your role as the law's advocate to convince me it is Constitutional?

I do not understand how forcing Americans to purchase a product can be Constitutional.

Can the government tell us what car to buy, what food we're allowed to eat, what clothes we can wear?

If Obamacare is Constitutional then the government has no limit to its power.

 

You asked a specific question. It's addressed in the legislation.

Also, why are you capitalizing the adjective "constitutional?"

 

not sure, your friend would of got the public option for free had congress given the people what Obama requested of them

 

Obama did not push for single-payer because even he realized that was going too far.

But UK has single-payer, so voters know that politicians have control over how much health care they get, and how much they don't get.

And that's what the Democrats want here in America.

Frankly, I'd rather not give politicians power over life-and-death decisions like healthcare. They are corrupt people and will use it in corrupt ways.

 

So you just want to stick with our current system of corporate healthcare and let them have decisions over life-and-death? Because they are not corrupt people?

 

The Republicans have many ideas to fix the system, but their input was not considered.

One reform that would do a lot of good is to eliminate the laws giving health insurance companies monopolies in each of the states.

http://www.cato.org/publications/co...s-letting-insurers-compete-across-state-lines

 

Which republicans proposed that bill ?

And without reading the law I think your homeless friend will be covered.

 

You haven't read the law and Nancy Pelosi didn't read the law and none of the Democrats in Congress read the law but they voted for it anyway.

 

No it was not Nancy. I think it was Sen. Patrick Leahy, and Rep. John Conyers, both democrats.

Health Industry Antitrust Enforcement Act of 2009

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1681/show

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3596/show

Correct me if I am wrong.......

 

http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/09/nancy-pelosi-on-health-care-we

 

What is your point? I am not for delivering tens of million new customers to the private insurance companies through obamacare. But I am not kidding myself by thinking the Republicans got better ideas.

If private insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry backed obamacare then the American people are going to hate it.

 

And I bet Carl won't be able to afford private health insurance either.

So what do you advocate? Allow Carl to die in the street of influenza?

 

Before the days of health insurance there were charity hospitals, where the poor got health care for free or at a reduced rate.

Also, when people pay for their own health care, market forces drive costs down so people can afford it.

My father paid for my birth out of pocket and it wasn't a lot of money.

That was in 1965, which was not that long ago.

 

My two grandsons delivery cost zilch, nichts, nothing,,,and that was two years ago.

What's your point?

 

You obviously didn't see the bill because a health insurance company paid it.

Nothing is free. As an adult, you should know that by now.

 

In Australia we have a pretty good universal healthcare system, not perfect but still very good.

BTW, my daughter and her family don't have private health insurance except for ambulance cover which costs her family about $60 per year.

 

Competition reduces corruption. Insurance companies want your business and the best way to get that business is to honor the contract.

 

PREACH IT BROTHER! Get this through their heads. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. What one doesn't pay for others do in some way or fashion. If you get free health care others pay higher insurance rates. If you steal a shirt the cost of the shirt rises for other consumers who don't. If you get welfare, my tax dollars are paying your bills. If you get food stamps, you're welcome because I just bought you dinner. If you wreck a car without auto insurance, those that have it pay more. If you default on your home loan, your neighbors house loses value. AND AS THE US GOVERNMENT GOES FARTHER INTO DEBT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO ACT IRRESPONSIBLY, EVERYONE ELSE LOSES AS THE DOLLAR LOSES VALUE.

It's not that I hate these programs, but rather I hate the nasty sense of entitlement, and lack of realizing the ramifications to other people around those dependent on the system.

I'll take personal responsibility over dependency any day.

 

You are paying for your "free" healthcare with higher taxes and a lower standard of living, caused by the higher cost of everything because of high taxation.

 

he took what he got cause her knew that was the best he could get with that current congress, better then nothing

 

This quote pretty much sums up how this bill passed. No one read it, but they're all sure it will work.

I love the casualness to the last part of the quote. Almost like an afterthought after posing the question about which Republicans proposed the bill.

I'll be you here:

"Which Republicans proposed that bill?

Oh yeah, and as for your homeless friend. For really no credibly reason at all I think he's covered. Haven't read the bill or anything, but sure, I think he's covered."

I wish you used your optimistic ignorance to become a doctor. You could say things like this to cancer patients: "I really haven't checked any of your white blood cell counts, but I think you'll live"

I love it. It makes me laugh. And although I've read no evidence to back this claim up, I've heard that laughter is the best medicine, and maybe that's all the medicine your homeless friend needs.

 

We where talking about eliminating the laws giving health insurance companies monopolies in each of the states. Not obamacare. I was pointing out that Democrats not Republicans proposed this bill. Go back and re-read the thread.......
I have read many bills, and I don't understand half the language in them. I would assume a homeless person will get healthcare as they would today if they walk into a hospital off the street. Would you disagree?

 

you realize most homeless people don't even pay taxes right? cause they don't own property, an address, or typically even a job right? The thing says the only punishment is a small additional tax. Thus your homeless buddy has nothing to worry about (well, at least concerning Obama care)