Hydrogen Powered Automobiles.

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  1. Lord of Planar

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    I didn't read that in detail, I'm in a time crunch right now, but thanx for the link!

    If the 12.3% is the actual efficiency from the solar TSI, this is an amazing breakthrough. Now... what would the cost be?

    I am still not a fan of using hydrogen in cars, but the potential for 24/7 energy from the sun is there. This would be a great way for living off the electrical grid by sun>>>to hydrogen, then fuel cell>>>electricity on demand.

    Then...

    On demand electricity to refuel electric cars!

    I just might see a Tesla S in my future after all...
     
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    You would get much farther on the gallon of gasoline.

    A gallon of gasoline contains about 122 MJ. A gallon of liquid hydrogen (at cryogenic temperatures) contains about 32 MJ. Even with the inefficiencies of the Otto Cycle, the gasoline would get you farther.
     
  4. DennisTate

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    Stanley Meyer was getting about 100 miles per gallon on water......… but the water was being reused several times due to his process........

    Read post #4.......

    http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/stanley-meyers-and-zero-point-energy.42388/
     
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    He was offered one billion dollars for his invention but he knew that the man making the offer would put the device on the shelf and it would not benefit humanity...... so Stanley Meyer turned down the offer..... His death seemed to be under unusual circumstances that tend to arouse suspicion.
     
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    Apparently at least one major Arab investor did not think so......


    http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html


     
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    Sorry, that is not a valid answer. Next time, try reading the question before responding to it.
     
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    A read another news article this morning where a fuel cell auto is due to be released for sale next summer.

    Said to get 300 miles per gallon and go 60mph.

    Says it will cost between $24k and 100k.

    But, doesn't say what the fuel for gallon costs or how much the tank takes. Also, as of now, there are NO places outside of California where it can be purchased for non-licensed operators.

    Another big to-do over nothing!!!
     
  12. Lord of Planar

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    It would be nice if you sourced the article.

    I'll bet they quoted it as 300 MPGE (miles per gallon equivalent), not MPG, but even that seems exaggerated.Then if it's a European car, it's more like 250 MPGE US. Rather large difference between imperial gallons and US gallons.

    This one is European, lease only:

    http://www.futurecars.com/future-ca.../riversimple-fuel-cell-unto-the-lease-of-them

    Never see such a thing in the USA because of crash safety standards, and perhaps other regulations.

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    I must beg to differ!

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22697841-cities-under-the-plain


    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stev...tates-of-America/1656420081237824?sk=timeline

    Steven D Kelley for President of the United states of America
     
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    Edmunds.com reports that only “45 percent of this year’s hybrid and EV trade-ins have gone toward the purchase of another alternative fuel vehicle.

    Electric cars also suffer from issues with battery life. Each hybrid or electric car battery can cost thousands, or even tens of thousands, of dollars, which only helps tip the economic scale in favor of traditional vehicles.

    “It wouldn’t make sense to replace a 12-year old battery with a new battery that’s going to last 12 years, because chances are the car’s not going to last that long,” Eric Ibara with Kelley Blue Book told Detroit News.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/21/record-numbers-of-drivers-trading-in-electric-cars-for-suvs/
     
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    I don't know, man. I bought a first generation Honda Insight to use as my daily driver and the thing gets between 65 and 80mph consistently. With the amount of miles I drive, I saved about $2,000 in gas in the year since I've owned it compared to the car I replaced it with. I know I'll need to replace the battery at some point (about 2,500 installed), but hopefully that won't happen for several more years. By then the gas savings will have paid for it several times over.

    Oh, and the car only cost me $5,500, only had 100k miles on it. These things are supposed to last about 400k based on my research. I wish I had gotten this thing a long time ago.
     
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    That's the worst quote I've ever read. Separating water into hydrogen and oxygen is nothing at all like splitting uranium. Ole Stanley Meyer's perpetual motion fuel cell was determined to be a fraud years ago. Steven Kelley is a kook.
     
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    I think you will find this update encouraging!

    http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html


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    Now I thought that it was wonderful for a USA Presidential candidate to be willing to discuss this.

    You and I are obviously on a very different page!

    What do you think about Thorium?
     
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    I believe you'd be better off with the fuel cell.

    An electric motor has 50-75% efficiency. The fuel cell about a 70% efficiency. Assuming low values, that gives about a 35% efficiency.

    Internal combustion engine efficiency about 20% efficiency.
     
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    The danger is not the hydrogen by itself, but of hydrogen at 5000 PSI.
    I like the way you revel in your ignorance.
     
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    Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the Universe. 3/4ths the mass of the Universe is made up of Hydrogen.

    It would be an inexhaustible source of fuel.

    Set up solar panels on the Moon, wirelessly transfer the electricity from these solar panels to Earth for use to separate hydrogen from H2O...basically ocean water will fuel our cars.
     
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    Does your car have a carburetor? Then it can run in hydrogen by pumping hydrogen directly into the carburetor. You can learn how to make a Hydrogen fuel cell on youtube for a relatively low cost. Hook it up to your carburetor and wallah!
     
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    Actually, it's not that difficult to change your vehicle from gasoline to natural gas. Costs about $150 and makes the engine last 3 times as long and run a whole lot cleaner.
     
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    Yup. Just hook up the gas tank to your carburetor via some hose air hose.

    They could build a hydrogen fuel cell and use water to power the car. Which cost little.

    Or they could just buy a giant gas tank filled with hydrogen. Which also costs little.
     
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    The problem is that the piston heats up and the hydrogen explodes on intake. This causes a major timing problem
    So in a word it won't work that way.
     
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    They did it on mythbusters. They hooked up hydrogen to the carburetor, and the car ran.
     

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