Hypothethical law enforcement if abortion was illegal.

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    A common claim I've heard on this forum is that if abortion was illegal, there would be no way to prove or enforce it, therefore making abortion illegal would be futile and it should be legal, and it would put the risk of innocent women who have miscarriages being jailed. That is not true. Miscarriages happen when the baby comes out and dies, and in circumstances where that isnt the case, doctors also will document that it happens, generally-almost all the time. Because of that fact, it would be pretty easy to prove that the miscarriage wasnt intentional, if abortion was illegal. Doctors who do abortions in places where it is illegal do not keep records of abortion-therefore, if the doctors records show it was a miscarriage, it would help to make sure that an innocent woman who had a miscarriage would not be convicted.
     
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    Do you hear yourself?

    Which to me means you find it acceptable that some women might get arrested for miscarriages, whether it be because the police are corrupt, the woman can't prove it was a natural miscarriage, or even because somebody has framed them.

    Arrested for a miscarriage.

    Arrested for a miscarriage.

    My god, is that really the country you want to live in?
     
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    A. You have no idea what a miscarriage is.

    B. No person should come under suspicion due to a natural medical condition.

    C. Medical records show a medical history....why do you think that illegal procedures would be recorded???
     
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    Unfortunately that IS what Republicans, conservatives and Anti-Choicers want. Controlling and punishing women is their main goal. I think this sickness they carry within them is due to religious influence.......or maybe having just been raised to have no respect for women as humans....
     
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    When women have miscarriages, it it recorded. I think you misunderstand what I am trying to say. I am not talking about records that prove an illegal abortion was done, I am simply talking about records which show that a miascarriage happened, which shows a woman is innocent.
     
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    You don't understand : No person should come under suspicion due to a natural medical condition.


    A miscarriage is NOT "a baby comes out and dies"....google miscarriage....:roll:
     
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    1-Women wouldnt come under suspiscion if it just naturally happened, in my hypitethical scenario.

    2-after the baby dies inside the woman in a miscarriage, they usually go to the doctor to remove it and it is documented. Theres nothing suspicous about that.
     
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    In the red bolded above you indicate women who have miscarriages would come under suspicion...why else would a doctor have to PROVE it was a miscarriage.


    NO baby dies in a miscarriage .
     
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    Which implies, what exactly?
    Same as above.
     
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    Miscarriage, which happens in approximately 1/3 of all pregnancies in the first trimester, happens spontaneously and there is nothing to remove most of the time. The woman just bleeds profusely, and passes the fetus into the toilet where it is flushed. End of story. Some women go to their doctors after that - many do not. It's not unusual.

    It would be - for all intents and purposes - impossible to stop intentional abortions. Pass a law to make it illegal and it would not stop. Let me share something with you - something you probably don't know because it's a "woman" thing. Centuries ago women aborted pregancies without resorting to back alleys and coat hangers. Women can (and would) do the same thing today and you could not stop them. There's an ancient technique called menstrual evacuation (it was called other things throughout history) which is used today sometimes for women with painful periods. It's a simple suction within a few days of when a woman's period is due - before there is a need to dilate her cervix, that will remove the contents of the uterus. Women have always helped other women and today, women can even make their own simple suction device and perform menstrual evacuations on themselves. No one would be the wiser.

    The practice fell out of use in the last hundred years or so - but it's still as effective as it ever was. There is very little risk and there is no evidence of abortion. Women have always helped women and, should you be able to pass a law (which won't happen anyway), you would not be able to stop abortions.
     
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    How would you prove a woman had an illegal abortion? When it was illegal, many women were admitted to hospital for sepsis and the hospital staff did not call the cops on them.
     

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