I can change your mind about climate

Interesting program with two people from opposite sides of the climate debate looking for a common ground. More interesting is that the common ground appears to be a change of attitude about energy. Seems there is a lot of agreement about making clean energy cheaper, more accessible and more affordable regardless of whether the science was settled or not

Maybe it is time to stop arguing and just start doing
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/changeyourmind/

 

Good morning Bowerbird,
I watched the program as well, incl. Q&A afterwards.
There were two people, who disgusted me most. The fat mining boss and the CSIRO Boss Mrs. Clark.
The mining boss, because whatever he said was about profit/money, and certainly not for others, but for himself and Mrs. Clark not taking the stand on the facts of global warming, but speaking like a politician, winding like a snake just not to commit to anything. Absolutely disgustful. No wonder are we lacking behind in Australia. If she is the top boss of scientists, we are doomed.
Anna Rose did get the most acclaim, and she deserved it. What a beautiful young woman, and what a beautiful brain. She has what most people lack off: A functioning consciousness...
Regards

 

This is they key Bowerbird. Making clean energy affordable to all. There are a lot of people like myself who are sceptical of both sides because of the misinformation pushed by them to support their causes. The one thing most have in common is the fact that we need to clean up our environmental act. You get no argument from me regarding the use of fossil fuels and the pollution they cause.

I am sad I missed it. It sounds interesting.

 

Good Morning yourself

I was very disappointed in Nick Minchin when he basically sprung Marc Morano on Anna. (and I had to try and keep dinner down - WHAT A SLIMEBALL!) Marc did what he always does - rapid fire off a list of lies and then stand back smirking waiting for someone to try and pick up on any of the mess - and then he would attack and twist words. She did well NOT to debate him.
As for Mrs Clark - if the way the thread I started on the CSIRO report is any indication she might have been too afraid to say anything. But I think she was actually out of her area of expertise and I would have liked to hear more from the climatologist who was there. Actually I would have liked them to have mentioned John Cook who has done a world class job of listing all of those common sceptic arguments and presenting the facts to people

 

You can watch the pod cast

I think it is interesting that people want to move on regardless of the science. Maybe we have been putting the wrong emphasis on trying to educate people why this is necessary and just moved on to the positives of cleaning up our act.
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I suppose I should not be too surprised - you can always get more flies with honey than with vinegar

 

Marc Morano is in the same camp as Abbotts or Howard. They are there, to protect our coal and mining industry, nothing else. No greater consciousness, no responsibilities, no visions...
I had the feeling the Mrs. Clark is actually on the payroll of the industry, and actually more in the Libs corner, never have seen a scientist argueing so vague. She hardly answered any questions.......
We have to face, that those industries are running our country!

 

Maybe clean sustainable renewable energy comes down to affordability, and maybe it doesn’t. Like most things in this life, if the people simply want to wait around wanting for the politicians to hand then green power, then they are going to be waiting for a very long time indeed, because anything that a politician has a tax on, is not going to be surrendered or changed easily.

If anyone in the Labor party took this climate change nonsense seriously, do you really think they would getting chauffer driven around everywhere in gas guzzling V8 Limo’s and flying everywhere. The people spruiking this nonsense (Labor politicians who introduced a carbon tax) are not taking it seriously or leading by example, because they know it’s a load of nonsense.

If the Labor politicians were really serious about global warming they would certainly be wanting to reduce Australia’s carbon emissions by more than 0.0004% over the next 18 years. We all know now that by Australia reducing its carbon emissions by 0.0004% over the next 18 years is going to have NO effect in reducing or sustaining the planets overall temperature.

If these Labor politicians are serious and believe in what they say, then why isn’t the emissions target higher and the period shorter?

Don’t get coned into being a bunch of “chicken little’s” people, the sky isn’t going to fall on you, because if it did, you would see politicians really making an effort to change things, and not by intruding a carbon tax to reduce emissions that is not going to have any impact on the planets temperature. This is simply a con so politicians can get their greedy hands on more tax payers moneys - don’t be fooled again!!

When a politician knows their life or future is in danger, then they will start doing the right thing and taking the appropriate action, but until that happens, don’t run around like a bunch of headless chickens being conned to shell out more tax money for nothing - and we are doing it for nothing, because reducing Australia's carbon emissions is not going to reduce or sustain the planets temperature.

 

I didn't see it, is it on utube?

Hey i'm all for renewable energy if its cheap!

That was the whole idea behind fossil fuel energy - cheap energy for everyone thats why our life styles are the way they are, take away energy and what are you left with.

I wouldn't be prepared to pay for a very expensive renewable energy source, why should we if we have fossils fuels in abundance right here in our back yard.

What do you think other countries with an abundance of fossil fuels like ours would do, they would imo threaten to kill any green who tried to talk down their supply of fossil fuels and hence their economy, we must be the laughing stock of the world i recon.

A country with an abundance of minerals that will be the first to slap a carbon tax on its own resources, no wonder the indians think we're dumb - its because we are!

What the hell we only contribut 1.5% of all Antropogenic CO2 emmissions, if Australia stops or not it dosen't make any difference to the effects of CO2 on our atmosphere.

If anyone should be doing something its the likes of the US, China, India ie the big boyz whose emmissions do count for something.

And to think anyone can believe that farming and trading carbon credits on the stock exchange will clean up our environment while sending billions of tax payer monies to over seas institutions.

Sure bring on renewable energy at a cheap price who can argue with that and the fact that there is no pollution, great i'm all for it.

But dont tell me the carbon tax and AGW isn't the biggest scam in man's history.

 

No, the biggest scam is done by scientific illiterates such as yourself, pretending that you understand science at all while you twist facts and make blatant lies.

 

So you want to commit every man woman and child to a ponzy scheme that will see the biggest polluters polute even more and then show on the books that they have reduced their carbon footprint because they purchased carbon cedits?

You support this scheme? that will send out billions of Australian tax payer dollars to overseas institutions.

How about some grass roots action and spending the money on infrastructure here in Australian.

How can you be so naive.

Where have i bent the truth my friend, all i'm doing is pointing it out.

 

Oh look, a strawman argument.

 

Who's the strawman?

 

HEAR HEAR You just cannot get through to some fanatical "headless chickens" that unless the "BIG" polluters like the US, China, India and Europe drastically reduce their pollution, then Australia's reduction of 0.0004% over 18 years amounts to nothing.

Yes, have you ever heard of anything more ridiculous in your entire life than farming and trading in pollution, and these idiots expect us to believe this method is going to reduce pollution. LOL LOL I just wonder if these fanatical "headless chickens" comprehend they are the ones who are going to end up holding the bag. LOL LOL What a joke; $billions of Aussies tax payers dollars going to foreign banks so they can play the carbon credit game on the stock exchange. LOL

 

Why can't we invest now and ripp the benefits later?
If we don't invest in renewables, we will lose out, big times. One day this industry will be bigger than the mining industry is now....
Come on fellow Aussies, the time is right, others are already heading this way, while we keep on discussing forever...

 

Hey cats

Dont you think those billions of dollars that will be going to the farming and buying of carbon credits to foreignisntitutions would be better spent here on our existing infrastructure to make us one of the cleanest polluters on earth while at the same time investing some of that money into renewable enrgy.

If most of the carbon tax / ETS revenue is headed overseas what will we be left with to do the research.

In the mean time big polluters can polute more and cover their carbon footprint with carbon credits.

If you truly care about manmade pollution and the environment how can you agree to such a scam.

 

i call this one "But Bobby 's room is untidy too!" excuse because that is exactly what it sounds like - a child complaining about cleaning up their mess and using the excuse that "Bobby's room is messy too" and "HIS mother doesn't make him clean it up!!

You know what answer you would have gotten from your mother on that one.

 

True, but R and R means money - lots and lots of money. Vamping up our infrastructure means money. Replacing coal fired stations like Hazelwood takes money. And there are only a few limited places we can get the sort of money this will require - a carbon tax is one of them

 

well you generally invest money when u have an excess of it. i am led to believe we do not have an excess and are currently borrowing money to get along. under these circumstances i feel that investing money in risky schemes that may not pay off later would be bad management.

 

I think we both understand that if politicians really took global warming seriously, then they would be the first to do something serious about it, and not just introduce some hair-brained scam like reducing 0.0004% carbon emissions over 18 years, which is going to do absolutely nothing in reducing global warming.

If politicians really believed their lives; their children’s lives or their grand children’s were going to seriously effected by global warming; don’t you think they would have came up with a higher carbon emissions target over a lower emissions period?

Carbon polluters are just going to keep polluting by buying carbon credits and offsetting the cost of these credits to the consumers and customers. And who is going to end up issuing all these carbon credits, and magical fairy at the bottom of the garden?

No, it won’t be fairies at the bottom of the garden; it will be scum-bag banker playing with make-believe carbon credits this time on the stock exchange getting richer off naïve stupid people again.

 

Don't forget the $500million the troll queen gave the UN climate starter fund, and then promised them 10% of all revenue raised by the Australian carbon tax. I just wonder how much money will be actually left to start these new green sustainable energy systems she and four eyes are always rambling on about, I suppose they could spare a few $million out of $30billion. LOL

 

Better the money raised from the carbon tax goes into our infrastructure and renewable energy research than to overseas foreign corporations who are farming and selling carbon credits and what about the 10% for the United nations Enviromental fund.

Dont you think?

 

Hey culldav

If all players come on board ie China, US, India etc etc its estimated that the annual cost of CO2 emmission will be one trillion dollars.

Now the united nations will get 10% of that.

 

The crafty UN has to have some way of starting and financing its attempts at a New World Government - not a bad start, and not a bad way to start leading and manipulating all the other countries by making them pay an up front start up fee of $500million and a continuing fee of 10% of their carbon emissions revenue. LOL As my mother says; there's a sucker born every minute, and I think Australia has more than its worldly fair share.

 

Please do not insult my intelligence and the intelligence of the rest of the sane Australian population by referring to fringe conspiracy theories such as NWO. Why fringe? Because when you look at it it is based on "pub talk" and not facts

 

That's all they have.