I cant believe all people were blacks

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  1. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not all people are even 100% human sapiens genetically. Adaptation, genetic variations, and voila, some people become Rosie O'Donnells and others become Naomi Campbells
     
  2. MrNick

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    What evidence is there for evolution?

    All I see are degrees of possible separation, not evolution...

    I'm not satisfied with the idea of evolution because the "theory" is shoddy at best - it is not complete..
     
  3. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    So what part is missing?
     
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    It's not just a part, it's the entire "theory"...

    I am still baffled by the notion the humans and neanderthals walked side by side - yet they didn't evolve at the same pace as humans, yet some "scientists" try to claim humans bred with these intelligent creatures...

    How can one species evolve and another NOT?

    Evolution should be consistent in all species, not selective...

    That is the problem with evolution....

    We evolved from simple primates in 4 million years while an animal like a crocodile hasn't changed in 200 million years?
     
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    Good chance that if you go back far enough, you will find a common ancestor for Crocs and Alligators. Why did they diverge? Most likely for survival - crocs are a larger specie and more adapted to salt water and larger, open water - the ancestors of the gators, being smaller sought refuge in inland fresh water.

    Not too far a stretch to see human ancestors diverging at some point to adapt.
     
  6. MrNick

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    Yeah, and science/evolution says all creatures evolved from a common ancestor...

    So, given that we should all evolve at the same pace, but we don't...

    We cant be different species while claiming we have a common ancestor...

    Oh and adaptation and evolution are two different ideas...
     
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    I will answer your last question first.

    Who says the crocodile has not changed in 200 million years?

    Meet the 200 million year old ancestor of the crocodile, the phytosaur.

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    That is quite different from any crocodile living anywhere on the planet today. One of the most obvious difference is that the nostrils are in that bulge right in front of the eyes, angled upwards, like a modern cetacian. Not at the end of the snout like any modern crocodiles or aligators.

    That then evolved into erpetosuchus:

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    As well as doswellia:

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    There, satisfied yet? I am satisfied that you did absolutely no research here at all, simply made a claim and thought everybody would simply accept what you said.

    As far as the first, evolution quite often accelerates when a group is seperated from the host region. This is for example what causes species that live on islands to shrink in size when seperated from the mainland, look at the Catalina Mammoth for a perfect example of this. Stranded on Catalina Island once the ocean levels started to rise at the end of the last ice age, these are mammoths in miniature. On average about 1 meter from ground to the shoulder.

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  8. DarkDaimon

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    Then you don't understand evolution. This is the quick and dirty answer. Evolution only happens when mutation appears in the organism's genome and the mutation gives the organism some advantage over other members of its species so that the organism with the mutation is able to pass along its genes better than the other members of its species that don't have the mutation. Therefore a creature like a crocodile, which is pretty much the top of its food chain and is a perfect killing machine, doesn't really benefit from mutations. A primate, which has very little natural weapons, speed or defences, would benefit greatly from even small mutations.
     
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    No I'm really not satisfied, I can show you an alligator and a crocodile, are the two the same?
     
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    I understand evolution.... Every time I question evolution all I get is "you just don't understand"...

    I don't buy the gene mutation nonsense because the odds of two different people having mutated genes finding one another to branch off is damn near impossible... It's like people who get rare genetic diseases 1 in 100,000,000 diseases finding one another....
     
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    They don't have to. If the new gene (from the mutation) is dominate, it will appear in every generation. If it is recessive it will lay dormant in the gene pool until two related (distant hopefully) people get together and they both have the gene and related people tend to stay near each other.

    As for why you get "you just don't understand" all the time is that there are tons of books and classes that teach this. Do yo think that I'm just pulling this out of my... hat. I've read many books on evolution and have taken several biology classes. This is all stuff you can find on the Internet.
     
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    Oh it matters, you're merely saying "oh it happens more than you think"....

    Genes just don't mutate all of a sudden and don't mutate in the same way...

    I don't think you understand or even looked deeper into evolution beyond a couple of books....

    This whole "gene mutation" stuff is nonsense...
     
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    So cancer is nonsense? Cancer is caused by the sudden mutation of a gene.

    I did more than read a couple of books, I actually took several biology classes as I was planning on becoming a biology teacher (though computer eventually lured me away).
     
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    haha, yet I'm sure you will say smoking causes cancer...

    perhaps if we all eat apples our kids will mutate into geniuses?

    c'mon...
     
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    I'm not sure if you are being serious or just trolling. I'm hoping for trolling since the other option is too depressing to think about.
     
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    No, they are not.

    Nor are they the same as they were 200 million years ago.

    Stop being trollish and simply rejecting anything you do not like. If you want to have a discussion, many of us here will enjoy having a discussion with you.

    But when we take the time, do research, give you references and pretty pictures and all you do is go "I don't like it", it implies that either you are to stupid to understand, or you really do not give a damn and nothing will ever change your mind no matter what.
     
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    I've read posts by him in other threads.
    He doesn’t understand the mechanisms of evolution and I don’t think he wants to.
    He thinks that aliens had something to do with the "sudden appearance" of modern man; therefore he dismisses the actual science and abundant credible evidence that exists for evolution because it doesn’t fit his fictitious narrative.
     
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    If one believes in multi regional human evolution as I do

    it is easy to reject the first people being Black.


    Witness China has found their more recent H. erectus skull and a H. erectus hybrid in the last year.

    Quest for Fire is a great movie that expresses how various "monkey men" lived at the same time.
    And if they were smart, they interbred with strangers for the strength of the tribe, or the mystery who knows.

    http://www.pbs.org/first-peoples/home/
    This series expresses multi regional human evolution too.


    Moi :oldman:
    BTW I believe dogs domesticated multi regionally too.
    The study for the one original site will be fruitless or a lie.


    r > g



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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    Homo sapiens migrated from Africa not very long ago--a couple hundred thousand years ago at most. They interbred with Neanderthal, and then some travelled west into Europe while others travelled east into Asia. Over time, these two groups adapted to their particulat environments, which is why we have "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid" people.

    In truth, every human being is about 99.98% identical. It's that 1/50th of 1% that determines the difference in gender and appearance between any two human beings. In other words, we're all practically clones hidden beneath masks.

    Isn't it ironic that racism exists because of a teeny tiny little speck of difference?
     
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    The idea of humans having evolved separately and simultaneously is considered wrong by geneticists. That's an outdated theory racists advocated back in the day, but it has no bearing on reality.
     
  21. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup
    I guess my 5.1% Neanderthal is a lie. Si?
    That was heresy 20 years ago! At least in the West, not the Chinese who advocate
    "Continuity through continuous hybridization"

    as do I.
    And recent geneticist supports ME! aka Moi
    Wake Up And Smell The :rose: :rose:


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    No
    :flagcanada:
     
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    When humans migrated out of Africa, they bred with Neanderthal. Homo sapiens existed only in Africa until recently.
     
  23. Moi621

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    By whose definition of humanity?
     
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    By any standards of "humanity"
    H. habilus, H. erectus, H. neanderthalis
    all achieved "humanity".
    Especially since they could "breed" with the
    latest "out of Africa" migration.
     
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    Really? because I raise questions you believe I don't understand?

    Ok, yea you go believe that...

    How dare I ask questions right?

    I think you don't understand science.
     

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