I can't seem to find any gay recruiters

thank you for that pearl of wisdom, Capt Obvious.

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Hey, just sayin' (people in these fora have missed the "obvious" many times before; either that or they feign ignorance).

 

No--I think 14,15,16 year olds are confused in general about everything. If you stopped growth in any aspect of life at that age, you are going to be literally retarded emotionally.

 

i was looking for a queen sized sleigh bed at the time


you can't be curious and then have some kind of morbid fascination? Now i know not to return.



No, I'm not one of them.

 

They aren't generally as you say. They may not be so "wise", but many have plenty of knowledge. And certainly many of them likely know if they're heterosexual or homosexual.

Of course, but that isn't what we're talking about here. No one grows up in a vacuum. In case people forget, it needs to been said that homosexual people aren't 'unaware' of heterosexuality (even in their teens). By age 18, most people surely know what their sexual-orientation is.

Based upon what you assert above, it seems you think/believe teenage human beings will "grow" out of their homosexuality. I'll grant that some may do that, but there has been enough research to prove/show that is rather exceptional.

Finally, while I'd say that many teens can be or are troubled by certain things, they are not necessarily troubled due to their sexual-orientation. And it is true that many homosexual kids are simply bullied, which leads to some serious problems in many cases.

 

Too bad america is run by religious people who want to base all law on their own personally beliefs.

 

There may be a few, but most are just confused about everything. I work with people this age everyday.

"orientation" is such a misnomer. Sure--people have preferences and know what attracts them. But also--teens are looking for acceptance, and often don't care where it comes from or what sort it is--they just want to feel a part of a group or a family. There is a group dynamic at play in entering into the idea that you classify yourself as 'gay'--It is a way to adhere to an identity, and the teen years is when people are searching for an identity. That's why you have so many different sorts of cliques in schools. The difference is that entering into the "gay" identity, there is a lot of emotionally charged baggage that comes along with it. No one feels guilty about dressing like a goth during their sophomore and junior year, but if you are gay your sophomore and junior year, that is a little harder to shed both for others acceptance and in your own emotional response to the choices that were made while living in that identity.

As I said--the sexual choices and actions one does has an effect on the psyche of an individual. It's not the identifying with homosexuality that may hurt a person's psyche--it's acting on it--and the guilt that may be associated with it. It's like you can't give up your virginity and then be a virgin again--there is a certain quality of innocence lost and one has to redefine themselves again.


I don't think any teen should have any sex for these reasons--homo-, or hetero-sex. It's too much to carry without even knowing that it places a burden on you.

 

What do you mean by "confused"? And I'm simply tentative about the validity of your testimony. I don't think your experiences are universal.

Please... "sexual orientation" is as standard (or well-defined) a term as you'll encounter. It describes very well what it refers to.

Please, stop making up meanings for words. Some kids are heterosexual and others are homosexual (even bisexual). What you are saying makes no sense.

Ha-Ha!! That is 'some' teens. They do not become "gay", because of peer pressure. Perhaps there are exceptions, but some one (even a teen) being "gay" because of peer pressure isn't common at all.

You need to prove this with more than your opinion. It is an interesting theory, but I have yet to hear most people explain that they are "gay", because the kids in school were into it. I have known more than a few gay guys that pretended to be 'straight' while they were in school (just to avoid the persecution that came with being discovered to have that sexual orientation).

As I said, there are exceptions... but a kid know if they are gay or not. Later in life, those exceptional people may "switch" to the orientation which actually suits them. Even so, I haven't experienced or heard much about the peer pressure which makes kids "gay". Do you have scientific research which supports your position?

A lot of gay people (especially young kids) HIDE their sexual orientation, for the very reason they are handed the baggage to CARRY; stuff from those who are hateful or homophobic. This is well-known. As a kid, I didn't dislike my sexual-orientation... I disliked the reality that other people rejected it. I hid like most kids do (if they can hide it). I was/am a masculine guy... so I covered it almost naturally. What I COULDN'T do very well, was go bonkers for some good looking girl; I had to pretend to be distracted by something else. When guys would talk about females (in that typically interested way), I often nodded quietly, acting cool; but in truth, I had nothing exciting to express about it; females NEVER turned me on. I KNEW that I was a homosexual at age 14.

Sorry, but being "gay" is something that most kids are going to have to grow up with and deal with for the rest of their lives. I spent my time being mostly silent (as described above); but no kid should HAVE to hide that.

Stop it! There is nothing you've shown/proven, which shows that a person's sexual "choices" or "actions" cause them to be gay or straight. If you have such scientific data, then you are far ahead of any research I've ever read on the topic. I can accept that you believe what you are saying, it simply isn't substantiated.

I would agree that many would be better-off as young people, if they hadn't had sex. But of the few things I remember well, having sex was one of them. People weren't feeling guilty about "sex", even in the 1970's. But homosexuality was a definite no-no... though I knew a few gay guys in school. We didn't feel our attractions were wrong, we typically felt fearful that someone would find out and persecute us. It was about "fear" not "guilt".

Sexual attractions DO NOT work that way, you don't give up being straight, to go gay. Please, stop making things up. You may have experienced something in your little niche which supports your own theories, but what you're saying isn't the way things are for many young people.

I tend to agree, but sorry... the MAJORITY of kids are having sex well before they reach 18 years old. I'm for purity and abstinence, but I know what kids do (I talk to them often, and I was one myself).

Well, people had better start considering teaching more kids how to COPE, because more kids today are having sex than they did when I was coming up.

 

The values I had as a teenager--ones I held to be convictions that I was sure were the end-all be-all of what was correct and what i believed about myself and my place in the world....were not, thankfully so.

I believe this is the experience of most human beings--it is called maturing.

Are people "race oriented"? I mean some people are only sexually attracted to a particular race--is that also classified as an "orientation?"

"Orientation" as it refers to one's sexual attractions is a term that suggests that sexual proclivities are a "nature" issue and not a "nurture" issue--whereas I think it is more complicated than one or the other or both.

I know both sorts. It's not "peer pressure" that would make one identify as "gay"--it's rather a place one can find acceptance. As I said, I don't think that is always the case--I do believe there is a very small minority of people who are born with some "cast" to their temperament where they are naturally "gay." These people have been in cultures from time immemorial, but they are far rarer than the occurrence we see in our culture today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

I'm not saying it's "cool to be gay" in high school--I'm saying it is a peer group that some find refuge in.

The same thing happens to all sorts of people who feel unaccepted for all kinds of differences.

I think in general, our society as WAY too focused on sex and who like to stick their bits where. It's not something any 14 year old should be worrying about. Go mow the lawn and take out the garbage.

I didn't say anyone should hide who they are.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en...xual identity development adolescence&f=false
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0197007088900563
http://yas.sagepub.com/content/27/3/313.short

It's a bigger deal than kids are taught because it's so casually accepted in society--PROMOTED in society--that kids feel weird if they're NOT having sex. That's not a good thing for mature psycho-sexual development.

I think you think that I think....people are easily fit into specific little boxes. I don't. I think people and their emotions are very complicated, and sometimes we don't consciously recognoze why we are the way we are. It would be nice if we all had clarity, but alas--that lack of clarity is part of the human experince.

Yeah--i know. I don't think our hyper-sexual society is good for kid's psycho-social-sexual development. Kids should be encouraged to be kids and leave the adult things for when they are more emotionally mature and able to be responsible to the consequences of the choices they make.

I think they are trying, but there is a lot of back lash and accusations of intolerance.

 

The type of body and genitalia you are sexually attracted to and turns you on is not a "value you hold". My heterosexuality is not some value I hold, it happened to me as a matter of pure luck and I think it's beyond arrogant to suggest it's any different for gays especially when they tell you time and time again to your face that you're wrong.

Why not ask a gay person what they think, they're the one's living in their own bodies? Oh! wait there's one on here telling you himself and you seem to be ignoring him.

Why do some straight people think they know more about gay people than they know about themselves?

I live in a gay "village" and I can tell you there's a lot more gays of all varieties that you would ever imagine and when I've asked they all said they knew they were gay from a very young age. Among the older generations most tried to hide it, pretend they were straight or, worse still, fool some unsuspecting girl into marrying them only to concede to their true sexuality sometimes decades later. Poor guys, poor girls, what a waste.

In an ideal world maybe but telling a 14 year old boy not to think pretty much constantly about sex is a clear indication that you aren't and have never been a 14 year old boy. Trying to steer them towards the most appropriate and least destructive behaviour is probably the best we can do regardless of their orientation.

 

You never questioned your sexuality? ....ever?....


liar.


Every kids wonders if they're "normal."

Ummm, he's actually agreed with me on several points...you're just smarting from our last tangle. Rest up, you'll be okay--have a glass of wine....cheers.

You're straight. Hmmmmmmmm... hypocrite much.

A "gay village?" Seriously--you don't think you live in a bubble?

How do you start an "ideal world?" Live it now.

Thinking about sex is one thing--obsessing about sex is quite another.

 

Of course, it is NOT. But someone who talks about what they THINK they 'know', as opposed to someone who KNOWS what they've experienced... will offer more/less credible testimony.

If one wishes to know what being gay IS (or is like), talk to LOTS of gay people. Heterosexuals are much easier to find and talk to (they'll typically volunteer what their lives are like). If someone gave you some 3rd person view of what being a homosexual is, then is makes REALLY GOOD SENSE to also regard what you can learn from a reasonable range of 1st person testimony about the same.

Right!! Even when I was DEEP into Christianity (in the religious sense), I don't think I heard ONE sermon which defined anyone's values (in a major way) based upon their sexual-orientation (or sexual attractions). There were many points in sermons/seminars addressing proper sexual behavior... but nothing about values based upon attraction itself. (Even the folks at the VERY Conservative churches I attended, realized that one's sexual-orientation wasn't about "values".

This is one of many forum websites I've been on, and all too often there are heterosexual people who either cannot or will not accept that homosexual people (most of us) do KNOW what we're talking about, when it comes to BEING HOMOSEXUAL. Heck, we ALL know that virtually ANYONE (who is heterosexual) can and sometimes "DO (something) HOMOSEXUAL"; but I think that has gotten many people "confused" about the complex nature of human sexuality; the strict notion that a person is ALWAYS either/or (gay/straight) doesn't account for all of what see in this world... not by any means.

Likely because what they've been indoctrinated with (concerning homosexual people) is simplistic, biased or homophobic. You could do a full thread on your question alone.

Since I was a boy/man (18 years old), I've been a professional soldier in the U.S. Armed Forces; and there is MUCH truth in what you say. I've been all over the world, had many CLOSE friendships with straight, gay and in-between. People aren't digitally-sexual... (not all of them anyway), but they darned sure know what they prefer sexually (what they're most naturally attracted to)... everyone isn't "heterosexual". That is obvious to most truly objective people, but it needs to be SAID more often (just like that).

Yes, that's typically TRAGIC stuff. I wonder how many "heterosexual" marriages have actually ended, because of the "charade" you've described just above?

Amen to that! I'm all for self-control and modesty... those are virtues. But the notion that we could/would (somehow) de-sexualize boys/girls (or men and women), is just going too far. We SHOULD take care of problems and teach kids to handle their lives in more wise ways, but this nothing that we could or should alter or take the "sexuality" out of human beings, is untenable and ultimately ludicrous.

 

If there were ever evidence that I'd been away too long, this is clearly it.

I shall began a proper investigation into this at once!

Please accept my apology on behalf of the entire Northern America Division of Lesbians. :shakes head and makes notes:

 

Most are born gay, some choose, and others become gay because of external factors in their lives, beyond their control.

 

I can see how that might surely be.

 

Why is it important whether or not the recruiter is gay?

 

I heard you get gay by watching a video tape that arrives in your mailbox mysteriously. In The Ring fashion, you watch the movie, after which it disintegrates into a pile of wispy ash, and you wake up the next day and you've been gayed. Nobody knows who sends the videos and nobody can prove they exist.

So, does that make Mission Impossible part of the gay agenda because their messages disappear in a puff of smoke too?

 

I'll bet it was the old Care Bears videos. If that's not gay indoctrination, I don't know what is.

 

Made me giggle.
Really, really a lot.

Made me spew coffee. (gonna have to be careful reading your posts)\

[And who the hell let this info out, anyway?!]

Might be the truest statement made on this forum in like.....ever!

 

Yeah, that's not how it works. We're not under any obligation to roll over and die for your right to continue causing direct harm to LGBT* people. Refusal to tolerate intolerance is not itself intolerance. It's resistance.

 

Amen! -

 

Homosexuals are not recriuted they are born homosexual,whereas the question of sexual orientation Identity politics recriutment is valid ,its called the LGBT.LGBTIQ or the LGBTIQAPC,no kidding it is that ridiculous.

oh say to a "Gay and lesbian "idenitifier ' that they are in fact homosexual and they will attack you .Paticularly the Lesbian identifiers.

 

oh dear how many more times do i have to go to bat for science ,oh well some of us respect it,Gay and Homosexual are 2 entirely different things ,eg ,you may live in a Homosexual village but unless they are having a birthday or marriage ,a common happy time for the entire village ,you do NOT live in a GAY Village nor can you .

A lot of Homosexual youth commit suicide because they try to fit the 'Gay "label not accepting their identity true sexual and only identity HOMOSEXUAL not Gay or Lesbian .


Gay is a lifestyle choice, whereas homosexual is a sexual orientation one has at birth!


Everyone can choose to be happy or not!you arev either homosexual or something else like bisexual,hetrosexual and thats about it as far as human sexual orientation .

Some stupid 'Gay 'people think that gay is a Gender ,nuttjobs ,or that Gay is a sexual orientation ,again WRONG ,or that Gay can be taken to mean Homosexual ,Incorret wrong and idiotic.


Gay starts with the letter 'G" last time i looked ,homosexual started with the letter 'H"yep its that simple ,homosexual a scientific therefore objective description of a human sexuality and orientation ,end of story thanks for coming ,no other definitions needed .And then there is "gay whatever" ,who knows or really gives a crap about "Gay " and its stupid sister slang term Lesbian .

To translate ,the Uneducated ,backward ,religiously and uncouth phillistine minded Homosexual woman will ,in its knuckle scraping grunt" Dyke "say i am lesbian not homosexual because thats a man given term ,so I must be an unshaved hairy lesbian rightwing ,hairy armpitted man Hater.yep the thionking of the "lesbian community 'is on that level ,Not like the homosexual women community ,loving ,sciantifically self assured ,cultured ,educated and clear minded representatives of the beatiful femininity in all its myriad forms ,beautiful humans ,

now lets do the Male homosexual community compared to the Gay lifestyle of the drugged and confused.see my point ???

but lets start with the phillistine and impossible "Gay literature "crap shall we ,please could anyone explauin why a homosexual who writes ,lets say crime novels is any different from any other crime fiction writer?

Is his or hers ,words more Homnosexual in their writing or is Gay literature another language [sometimes with LGBTIQAPC ,i wonder],

What is 'Gay literature and how does it differ ,anyone ,and yet again I expect no0 answer soon ,because to be Gay in ones lifestyle choices is to a intellectual slovenly Coward,that slinks away when first challenged by scientific understanding of Human sexuality and orientation ,Homosexual ,Bisexual hetrosexual Scientific alliance.

 

I don't think that people of ANY sexual orientation are actively recruiting individuals. I do think that normal people of all sexual-orientations sometimes crave a sexual experience.

Gay people are both common and normal.

 

They're known as the California Teachers Association:

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