The Chinese Communist Party is doing to the Uighurs what the German Nazi Party did to the Jews. Economic oppression- check. Religious oppression- check. Forced servitude- check. Forced sterilization- check. Institutional rape- check. Forced abortion- check (not sure if even the Nazi's did this. probably?) Organ harvesting- check. Human experimentation- I havn't seen evidence for this one, but I feel safe presuming- check. Mass executions- check. The only thing missing is the ovens and gas chambers ...so far as we know. It begs some questions- would we have gone to war with the Nazi's if they hadn't attacked anyone, and just 'peacefully' genocided the Jews inside their borders? Should we have? Serious questions I'm still pondering myself.
Yes we still should have went to war to save a entire race even if it's just in Germany. After America has been in many wars however my view has changed to being against wars. They rarely seem to solve problems. WW2 was a exception. Korean war solved nothing. We lost Viet Nam. Iraq had 2 wars and is still unstable due to Isis. Afghan, still fighting there after 20 years. We have made lots of enemies along the way. The middle east does not seem to like us much anymore. The Democratic party is sure starting to act like pre WW2 viewing Republicans like Jews who need to be removed or canceled.
I'll just drop this snippet here and people can make what they will of it. Note that there are several clickable links in the snippet and more in the full article available at the link. Also, consider that there are thousands of Uighurs among the terrorists operating in Syria and that there have been many attacks inside China committed by the Uighurs. Why Do These Uighur Witnesses' Stories Constantly Change? Two months ago we documented astonishing changes over time in the testimony of a Uyhgur woman who had claimed to have been incarcerated in China: Over the years [Sayragul] Sautbay has given several interviews. The details of her story continued to change in anti-Chinese directions. In early interviews Sautbay claimed to have been an instructor working in a re-education camp. In later interviews she claims to have been a detainee. In more recent interviews she claims that she had seen torture and violence in the camps. In earlier interviews she had refuted such claims. In one story she claims to have observed mass rape. In older interviews she insisted that she had observed no violence at all. While she now claims that detainees in the camp were forced to eat pork she had earlier claimed that no meat was served in the camps. The changes in her story came after Sautbay had fallen into the hands of a propaganda group: After she had gained asylum in Sweden Sautbay joint up with a U.S. financed Uighur organization. Her story then changed dramatically. The party member and language teacher had became a detainee. There was suddenly extensive violence in the camp and people who earlier never got meat were suddenly made to eat pork. ... The Swedish Uyghur association is part of the Munich-based World Uyghur Congress, a CIA affiliated organization that has in recent years gained prominence as part of the U.S. driven anti-China campaign. /snip https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/...stories-told-by-chinese-defectors-contin.html Edit: here's a Google search for "Uighur terrorists in Syria". https://www.google.com/search?q=uig...ericamovil-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
@modernpaladin One of the thing is the destructive abilities of mankind have skyrocketed since WW2. Going to war might more and more have consequences for mankind beyond repair. China build themselves with trade, one way to harm them is organized boycott.
The Nazis didn't start to use genocide on the Jews, the Final Solution, until after the Wannasee Conference in 1942, and they had just started to lose the war that year (Most historians place that losing further back, some saying it was evident when they lost the Battle of Britain in 1940). Until then, the ostensible Nazi plan had been to deport the Jews to several homelands which the Jews would buy (there was one planned in Alaska) Just how much this tied in with Zionism, which had been a major program promoted by some Jews to reinforce Jewish identity since the latter 19th century is unclear to me at this time. No one really knows if Hitler meant to kill all the Jews until then, but that is when he put forth the idea that they had started WWII to annihilate the German people and they all must be killed to save Germany It is still a matter of historical debate as to whether the Nazi attitude was entirely deadly to the Jews until this time. It may have been simply a component of Hitler's "Germany First" ideas, viewing them as simply the main one of the several internal "enemies" which Germany faced and opposition to which was central to Nazi ideology Certainly, at least the early Jewish attitude to Naziism is difficult to explain if they saw the Nazis as out to annihilate them utterly from the very beginning. In any case, Germany is not the only nation to have been seduced by the heady fumes of racist perfectionism when it is closely coupled with an overweening nationalism. Indeed, if you examine Naziism's earliest origins it seems very possible they caught that cruel and sorry malady at least partially from the USA. When you consider our American attitude to Islam and then observe that the Uighurs are China's largest Muslim minority you have to hope that we are not indeed seeing History repeating itself
Tis true, war with the Nazi's didn't risk global nuclear oblivion. Tis also true that isn't the only reason we're not already blitzing jeeps and tanks through their country liberating their deathcamps 'WW2' style...
The SS had entire divisions dedicated to exterminating captured Jews as early as Operation Barbarossa. You might want to pick through your sources here a bit more critically... Though it certainly is true that the Nazi's got not only their strategy for internment camps from how the US treated Native Americans (not 'Muslims'... ), but they also got their Eugenics from us. Specifically, from our rich, entitled elites, who happened to also be funneling money to the Nazis... how that is relevent to the ChiComms tho, you havn't yet explained. For some other fun tidbits, did you know IBM, and specifically, Bill Gates relatives, built the machines ('computers' I guess) which were used to track and organize the interred Jews (via their number tattoos)? Also Ford (iirc) sold the Nazi's a critical fuel additive required in much of their military equipment throughout THE ENTIRE WAR.
The Nazis were certainly not treating the Jews as valued citizens or even human beings before 1942, I am certainly not suggesting that, but I don't think any of the actual death camps predated the Wannasee. The Nazis had programs to kill or enslave ALL the Russian and Slavic Untermenschen along with several other groups did they not?
Yes, along with Jews. The camps did indeed come later. They started with the 'ghettos'. Which were inspired by our 'reservations' (I mispoke before when I said camps, I should've said ghettos). Though I suspect any 'debate' about whether the ghettos were intended to be a permanant fixture is derived from the Nazis own propaganda they used to prevent the Jews from outright revolting at the start- 'just live here and we can be friends'... because 'we're going to kill you all' doesn't engender cooperation.
cute meme, but generally false. the nazis repealed the weimar republic's gun control laws, they used religion as most authoritarians do, and they instituted the kind of patriotic nationalism that worshipped the flag and their idealized version of history. etc
America never declared war on Germany I doubt they would of to save the Jews especially as much was rumour in 1941. Having said that I do not wish to sound ungrateful to the USA for the help that you gave an enslaved Europe and the help you gave the UK and its empire before you joined the war.
Let's see...cross an ocean to launch a D-Day style invasion of a country that could literally field an army equal to our entire population, which in addition possesses a nuclear arsenal and the technical prowess to drop one anywhere in OUR country...comparisons to WW2 Germany don't fly since Germany didn't grind out over 20% of the worlds manufacturing output. $$$$ and national interests rule the world, the Uighur's are on their own.
Great question! First off, I think if the Nazi's had never invaded Poland and France, there would have been no European war. So whatever happened to the Jews under Hitler could have happened without us, or any other nation getting involved. Historically people don't go to war to stop atrocities of other people unless they are using it as a pretext. In other words, there would have been no European war. On the other hand, the US would probably still have gone to war in the Pacific if the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. However with an active war and mobilization geared towards the Japanese, that would have made even less an appetite to get involved in European affairs. The German comparison to China is not quite on target, but history isn't always direct comparisons ("it rhymes"). We can see right now that atrocities are occurring in China but we, and the world are not going to do anything about it. For one, we can't, and for two, we can't go around interfering in the internal affairs of other nations where we have no US national interest, and when it comes to the Uighurs, we have no compelling national interest there. However their situation could be useful as "pretext." Human rights as an excuse to decouple our economy from theirs. That needs to be done anyway, and I would rather it be done on our terms than theirs. Unfortunately the current administration is likely to want to increase, not decrease our ties to the Chinese. Apparently they are reliable donors.
