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  1. Equality

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    Somethings are just so obvious but still denied. gravity.jpg
     
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    What are we looking at here?
     
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    The mechanics of gravity . q1 and q2 are coulomb's law of charges.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law

    You are attracted to the ground by the charge in your body being attracted to the charge of the Earth. The Earth and Sun keep orbit because M1 the earth and M2 the Sun both have charge, the net force at r² being 0.

    If m1 or m2 was to change in charge , which it does constantly, (the electrodynamics of moving bodies), we can explain motion. Its all a little complex and involves dynamic entropy of charge, but hopefully I have give a brief description.

    m1=(q1q2)=f1=r

    m2=(q1q2)=f2=r




    My formula in accordance with Newtons 1st law of motion, a body in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force [extension] or a change in charge in the entropy of the body. (Explaining Universal expansion as well).

    Δq=Δf=Δv

    The above states: A change in charge (q) is equal to a change of force (F) which is equal to a change of velocity (V).

    added- science can not tell us what mass is, they can neither explain what F1 and F2 is. Except I believe they already have the answers and the above explains this.
     
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    Understand that Earth crust displacement is possibly happening right now below your feet and you would not be aware of it. The Earth is gaining charge , this is causing global warming but it unnoticeable, it is also causing the Earth to contract that causes sink holes etc, again but this is unnoticeable. None of this being imaginable but a possibility because of charge. I have just thought about atoms, atoms do not touch each other, they orbit each other, they have quite fragile orbits, but if you try to displace the orbit , the net force of 0 between atoms changes and they pull back proportional to the ''pull''.
    I now have deep concerns about Earth crust displacement due to charge, the more charge the Earth gains the more the earth is going to pull back, I.e gravity will get stronger.

    p.s gravity may get weaker it could go the other way and repulse.

    added- if my memory serves me correctly gravity is already weakening at the poles.
     
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    The Earth is in a stable orbit around the Sun, that's why they don't fall into each other.

    Sink holes are caused by pockets of ground collapsing due to oil extraction or water extraction, or erosion of soft rock from an underground river that leaves a bubble of space that one day falls in on itself.

    I don't know what this charge is you're referring to, and I think it's made up.

    Plate tectonics doesn't change the mass of the Earth.

    Gravity would only change if the surface gets closer or farther away from the center of mass. The radius = r^2.

    Mass is the presence of matter or energy doing a warping effect of the surrounding space ala gravity, it's provided by the Higgs field.
     
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    Quite clearly you can post present information, but quite clearly you have not replied to my posts. Do you understand charge at all? If you did you would know what I am talking about and the consequence of possibilities and would of not replied with babble.
     
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    Well "babble" you say??? Well it's better than saying you're just posting non-scientific nonsense. Great, another person who thinks they've solved the mysteries of the universe.
     
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    Bovine excrement.
     
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    Mind you I think this might be the real issue here

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    I'll indulge the OP....

    There are only two types of electrical charges, positive and negative. Like charges repel each other, opposite charges attract. The strength of the attraction or repulsion is proportional to the distance between them and magnitude of the charges, and is described by Coulomb's Law.

    Exactly like gravity, with Coulomb's Law the attractive force between two masses is conservative, and governed by an inverse square distance relationship.

    The problem is, the Sun, the planets, the Moon, the moons of other planets, asteroids, meteors, man made satellites, comets, etc all attract each other. Since there are only 2 types of charges (discarding neutral) , it's impossible for them all to be attracted to each other if the attraction is governed by Coulomb's Law.

    Let's look at a simple example assuming Coulomb's Law governed our solar system:

    Ignoring gravity and substituting Coulomb's Law requires all bodies in the solar system to have charge, and that being positive or negative. For the sake of argument, let's say the Sun is positively charged.

    For the Earth to be in orbit around the Sun there must be an attractive force. If it was a repulsive force the Earth wouldn't be in orbit around the Sun. By Coulomb's Law the Sun and Earth must be oppositely charged for an attractive force to exist. Since I arbitrarily said the Sun was positively charged, that means the Earth must be negatively charged.

    Now we know the Moon orbits the Earth, and for that to happen there must be an attractive force between the Earth and Moon. By Coulomb's Law the Earth and Moon must be oppositely charged. Since the Earth is negatively charged in our little thought experiment, that means the Moon must be positively charged.

    The impossibility of this occurs when you consider that the Moon also orbits the Sun once a year. The attractive force between the Sun and Moon is around twice that of the attractive force between the Earth and Moon. Since in our thought experiment the Moon and Sun are both positively charged, by Coulomb's Law the force between the Sun and Moon is that of repulsion, and the Sun would have launched the Moon out of Earth's orbit a long time ago.

    Of course this problem of electrical charge substituting for gravity isn't confined to the Sun/Earth/Moon, it applies to all the planets and their moons, along with asteroids, meteors, space debris, galaxies, etc.

    I have to comment on your diagram. I liked it. Except for the part where it wasn't a diagram and you put on the side f1=q1 and q2 and f2=q1 and q2.

    f presumably stands for force, and q presumably stands for charge. Force and Charge are not the same, you can't equalize them. One of the things drilled into you as an engineer/physicist/chemist/scientist is maintaining units in an equation. If you have the units wrong, the equation is definitely wrong on the surface. q is measured in coulombs and f is measured in kg-m per s^2...not the same.

    "and" is not a mathematical operation. "and" could be a boolean operation but that wouldn't make sense here. A more correct approach would be to apply Coulomb's Law.....f1 = (q1*q2)/r^2....f2 = (q2*q1)/r^2....but you would need to annotate what is q1 and q2 in your diagram of course.
     
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    Ok , you quite clearly know what you are talking about and are worth my while talking to and discussing the notion. You are almost correct in your thinking except the Earth is positive charged and negative charged at the same time. The charge of the Earth is dynamic, meaning it can at any time be more positive than negative and vice versus. Can you re-write your thinking please but this time consider all the factors of the dynamic entropy of charge on an atomic scale.

    All bodies are made of atoms, all atoms have both signs, all bodies are dynamic in charge . Thanks.


    I know force is F=ma , I no charge is q, f1=q1q2 is a statement .


    In Algebra form A+B=C when talking about atomic charge
     
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    A house brick has charge, you obviously have the wrong impression of atomic charge.
     
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    Stick around, you might learn something.
     
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    Gravity is STRONGER at the poles than at the equator!

    Please provide credible sources for your allegations.

    TYIA
     
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    I really do not think people understand that when something is new it is new, I have provided the links available, if you knew about the subject I am speaking about you would not need to ask for credible sources that have already been provided.

    Start here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law

    Then when you understand about charge get back to me.

    added- sorry I have just answered your post incorrectly, I read it with ambiguity.

    Thank you for your answer about the poles.
     
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    Coulomb's Law has to do with electromagnetism, and I have never heard of electromagnetism altering the obits of planets.

    You're using the wrong law. Here look at this: Inverse Square Law, Gravity
     
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    No, Coulombs laws is about charge , i.e different signs/polarities,

    Coulombs law also uses the inverse square law.


    Maybe you have not heard of it until now because I am now explaining it to you!

    Think!

    Do you understand that m1 and m2 both have charge of both signs? Do you understand that charge imposes force on charge? Do you understand the atomic model? If not stop wasting my time with unrelated babble to what I am saying. Science wil never advance if science keeps resorted back to what the present thoughts without trying to advance those thoughts. Without trying to advance scientific existing theory, it is not science , it is mimic.
     
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    Well DO let me know when you discover a Unified Field Theory (UFT).
     
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    I pretty much already have a Unified field theory but at the moment this is not the talking point. The mechanics of gravity seem rather similar to the mechanics of charge.

    Look at my simple statement:

    F1=q

    This states force 1 is equal to the magnitude of charge.


    Science would say :

    F1=?


    Science does not know the answer to what force 1 is, they do not know what gravity is, they know what gravity does, but not what it is. One hand is saying we do not know what gravity is, but the other hand says we do know what gravity is. The laws of charge and how charge behaves relative to the charge sign, explains gravity mechanism.

    It is the only possible answer so it must be the answer.
     
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    I'm not sure what you're trying to say, "Earth is positive charged and negative charged at the same time". Do you mean to say it's polarized? If so what causes the polarization? If you're saying it has positive and negative charges at the same time, that's very true, and these positive and negative charges cancel out so that the entire Earth and atmosphere is essentially neutral.

    I'm also unclear when you say "[Earth] can at any time be more positive than negative and vice versus". If that were true and Coulomb's Law described the force between the Earth, Sun, and Moon the orbits would be really messed up when the electrical field changed. It also doesn't solve the problem of 3 bodies attracting each other when there can only be 2 opposite charges.

    The reality is the Earth (ignoring the atmosphere) is negatively charged. It can and has been been measured. The atmosphere, specifically the ionosphere, is positively charged. From an external point of view at interplanetary distances, the Earth is electrically neutral in accordance to Gauss's Law.

    f1=q1q2 may be a statement, but it's doesn't make any sense physically. For example, we know experimentally the force between charges is dependent upon the inverse square of the distance between them, and your statement has no accounting for that.
     
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    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...:p
     
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    I can't give all the answers I am only human. You are sure what I am trying to say because you have just said it.

    q1+q2=q3 or A+B=N which is observed as neutral but it is not neutral.


    Think about your own words, the Earth is more negative charged, if the Sun was more positive charged the Negative charged Earth would be attracted to the Positive charged Sun and vice versus. However the bodies could never make contact because of the repulsive charges of likewise polarities .

    I am pretty sure you will understand, you can think for yourself which is good.
     
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    The Earth itself is negatively charged but the Earth's atmosphere is positively charged and it all evens out. Nothing outside the atmosphere is influenced by the negatively charged Earth as that is cancelled out by the positively charged ionosphere (Gauss's Law).

    You didn't answer my question about how the Earth is charged. That is essential to any validity that charge is responsible for what we call gravity.

    The Earth is charged because of it's atmosphere, and taken as a whole with the atmosphere the Earth is essentially electrically neutral, and nothing outside the atmosphere is influenced. The moon has no atmosphere so you'd have explain how that is charged as well.

    You have a bigger problem on your hands though. We can actually calculate the force needed to hold the Earth and Moon in orbit. From that, using Coulomb's Law, we can calculate the charge needed for those forces. Calculating that we find the Earth would have a charge of about 5 x 10^14 C (a lot more than is actually measured). That's a lot of charge, and since it's the same charge the forces are internally repulsive, so you have forces trying to push the Earth apart. The same goes for the moon and the sun and every other body in the solar system and universe. If charge is responsible for what we call gravity, the universe wouldn't exist.

    Fortunately we have a much better explanation. It's called gravity.
     
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    Unfortunately gravity is just the word we use to explain the related actions. gravity mechanism is unknown .The Earth and moon or any other matter than can retain energy has charge and the charge is made by some sort of hf/kinetic action internally at a sub atomic level.
    Yes the force of charge also tries to pull the earth apart as it also holds it together. It would take a lot of charge to hold a planet in orbit.
     

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